Garmin Navionics Card

[skeeterbrain]

Anyone have the Garmin Navionics card that can not use it I would like to
take it off your hands. I just switched to Garmin and have the Lake Vu HD Ultra
Garmin card and would like to compare the 2.

[Wayne P.]

Anyone have the Garmin Navionics card that can not use it I would like to
take it off your hands. I just switched to Garmin and have the Lake Vu HD Ultra
Garmin card and would like to compare the 2.

There is no Garmin compatable Navionics card

[yukongt]

There is no Garmin compatable Navionics card

Yes there are, but you had to be on their beta test group.

I have both and the Garmin maps are light years ahead of the navionics.

[haus9393]

I've got the same one. I just posted about it the other day. Other guys said garmin shut that thing down with the newest update but I don't think they did. It has all navionics and garmin combined into one chip

[ShellbackCVA59]

A copy and paste from another site. Originally Posted by StrikeLines Could you find out the name of the software? PM me if you need to. There is a robust community of end-users making custom maps on Garmin hardware, and depending on what utility you were using before, you might have some strategic options going forward. Strike, Navionics has used generic 3rd party software which has been improved to align Navionics symbols with Garmin symbols. We do not give out additional details about the tools used internally. Regarding the MPC, your assumptions were correct. Navionics has asked for and repeatedly been denied access to the Garmin agreement for some time. Garmin does allow other cartography manufacturers access to the MPC. Instead of granting permission, Garmin has chosen a different path by releasing the software update blocking the use of Navionics content. Rather than allow users access to a variety of cartography available to most other marine electronics manufacturers they have chosen to limit you. Now, older units without limitations are more valuable to the installed base than newer units that have been downgraded, blocking the use of alternative content. Garmin makers a good mapping product,, and Navionics believes we also make a good product that is continuously updated. The comments on this thread mimic the sentiment we hear day in and day out. Garmin also now demands that Navionics publish the fct that a software update is available that blocks the use of Navionics SonarCharts cards. We will do so as asked. If you are no longer able to use Navionics SonarCharts cards with your newer Garmin unit it is unfortunate but you will still be able to contribute to SonarCharts by uploading your Garmin logs and continue to get chart updates through your Navionics mobile app. We would also encourage you to voice your opinions to Garmin directly. Support | Garmin Thanks, Shaun Navionics Product Manager

[haus9393]

So as long as I don't update my 1040 I should still beable to use it

[ShellbackCVA59]

So as long as I don't update my 1040 I should still beable to use it

That looks to be the case.

[Wayne P.]

Isn't the beta test about sonar logs and Sonar Charts with Navionics??

[ShellbackCVA59]

Isn't the beta test about sonar logs and Sonar Charts with Navionics??

No. Navionics wanted to have their mapping software compatible with Garmin electronics, so they developed a beta chip and sent it out to folks for testing. Once the chip was out for testing, Garmin made a software update to block it's use. Looks to now be a cat fight between Navionics and Garmin. Navionics wants to sell their mapping to Garmin customers, and I think before Garmin will allow it, they want something in return from Navionics. Doesn't make sense Navionics developing mapping for Garmin's without a contract of some kind. Maybe they were pulling a fast one on Garmin.

[skeeterbrain]

No. Navionics wanted to have their mapping software compatible with Garmin electronics, so they developed a beta chip and sent it out to folks for testing. Once the chip was out for testing, Garmin made a software update to block it's use. Looks to now be a cat fight between Navionics and Garmin. Navionics wants to sell their mapping to Garmin customers, and I think before Garmin will allow it, they want something in return from Navionics. Doesn't make sense Navionics developing mapping for Garmin's without a contract of some kind. Maybe they were pulling a fast one on Garmin.

Reply from a Navionics person on another forum

Originally Posted by pmnav
Stiletto,
Paul, national sales manager for Navionics. Let me clarify if I may your statement.

Garmin was made well aware of our intent to create SonarCharts for Garmin months ago. In fact they originally liked the idea from the sales team side giving them relevance in FW and outstanding contours and SonarCharts in SW. We used a software that is Garmin approved and given to other Garmin chart makers. This was actually told to us by Garmin. Other companies that use that same program have charts.

When we showed Garmin the charts at various boat shows, I don't know why (I'll let the forum speculate) after we showed them the chart, a coup months later they send out the press release. Garmin was well aware of us working on this chart.

The software they launch is to block all third party software which means all those other little guys that run charts in the plotter are also now blocked. Garmin charts only.

I'm not aware of which version software will block the use of the third party data but when a tester finds out please do pass along. It's a shame Garmin later decides it doesn't want to give it's customers options.

They knew about it

[ShellbackCVA59]

This is a Garmin response to a customer. As I said, looks like a cat fight. Garmin was looking for a contract with Navionics, which would be common business sense. Navionics jumped in with no type of contract. Shame on them.


More:

Garmin’s marine sector is a vertically integrated segment, meaning we do not have to wait for others to develop new features and wait for their input to develop strategic future plans to offer the best plotters and products possible. Garmin does not want to be chained in that way. Navionics wants simply to make their charts work in our units (I suppose that is their idea of licensing), and that is not something we can do as it will take away much of our freedom to innovate. That is why Garmin stopped using Navionics data (called G-Charts) roughly 15 years ago in the first place.

Garmin would like to be able to license raw data from Navionics and use it like we would data from hydrographic offices around the world as we now do, but they are not willing to allow us to license their data in that way. Garmin, of course, would pay fees and royalties to them if they would do this and if a contract could be struck. We have wanted that for years, but they have, for years, refused to discuss it.

[haus9393]

image.jpgHere's my garmin navionics card. Doesn't even have garmins name on it

[Wayne P.]

image.jpgHere's my garmin navionics card. Doesn't even have garmins name on it

MSD/GAR designates it works in Garmin units.

[prostaff1]

Always trying to simplify...Seems to me the consumer loses in the Garmin choice and Garmin will obviously lose sales.

Salesperson says to Mr customer...you have a choice in your purchase...Lowrance, Humminbird, Raymarine etc...all would love for you to buy their product and when you do...YOU are free to choose whatever mapping system you prefer and which maps are best for your needs and they will gladly allow you access to the best and most recent mapping available...... as opposed to:
Mr Customer...If you buy the Garmin product..They and only they will let you use what They want you to use...You WILL use what they say..regardless of your choice of what is best for your needs. AND they will block your use of ANY other map whether it is best for you or not!! and if you try...you will likely lose any warranty rights and the resale value of whatever Garmin you buy will certainly be reduced because the next owner cannot use any of his maps and may also not like to be bullied

This would be like Chevrolet saying as of today, you cannot and will not use any other brand of tire or auto part other than "CHEVY" on their cars...period. If you do all of your rights and warranties will be voided. That you WILL use the Chevy brand of tire and parts or else...even though they do not have the tire lines completed for their cars yet. No more Michelin, Bridgestone or any other customer favorites. AND worse...Chevy says NAPA parts used in every virtually every other make of auto will unjustly limit their innovation...so those are blackballed as well...Really?? A confusing marketing decision at best.

Kind of a no brainer when it comes down to which product purchase is in the customers best interest and which companies puts their customers needs first.
This is my personal two cents having nothing to do with my affiliations. Should be interesting to see this play out.
Tommy
Prostaff Lowrance/Navico
Prostaff Specialist/Navionics

[haus9393]

garmin would be smart to hook up with navionics. more people would probably buy their units. without this chip I have the mapping is next to useless

[prostaff1]

HI Haus, I totally agree. I have no inside on this but common sense tells me that this is probably a bean counter poker playing decision by Garmin and with obviously no consideration for the market and customers needs....which IS the market. I have tried to think of every rational scenario for that blackball decision...Cannot make sense of it.....WELL, I forgot the typical "follow the money" quote. That makes it a little less confusing.
Tommy
Prostaff Lowrance/Navico
Prostaff Specialist/Navionics

[ShellbackCVA59]

HI Haus, I totally agree. I have no inside on this but common sense tells me that this is probably a bean counter poker playing decision by Garmin and with obviously no consideration for the market and customers needs....which IS the market. I have tried to think of every rational scenario for that blackball decision...Cannot make sense of it.....WELL, I forgot the typical "follow the money" quote. That makes it a little less confusing.
Tommy
Prostaff Lowrance/Navico
Prostaff Specialist/Navionics

Sure it's a bean counter decision. Navionics wants a piece of Garmin's market with no contract, Garmin says, "I want this in return, and a contract". Navionics say no dice.
Garmin has never stated their units are compatible with Navionics. If you bought Garmin products, you knew what you were getting. Navionics jumped in and brought out the beta chip with no contract. If you bought Garmin due to Navionics press releases about new cards for Garmin, you need to take your beef to Navionics. I switched to Garmin due to the fact they have better mapping for my home lakes than Navionics. It all goes back to personal choice. If you want Navionics, don't buy Garmin. Humminbird bought Lakemaster, now if you want Lakemaster, you have to buy Humminbird. It's business.

[prostaff1]

I mostly agree. But a good point is that even though HB has Lakemaster..they do not block and blackball other cards including Navionics. Seems to me Garmin is the only company that actually blackballs other vendors and requires that you can use ONLY their cards. I have owned a Real Estate Company for 29 years and this compared to my business would be like me telling all of our Buyer clients that they are strictly forbidden to buy any home that I personally do not have listed....ONLY the homes we have and nothing else....we would be out of business shortly. We fully cooperate with ALL other Realtors and companies for the benefit of the Client. Commission funds are important there as well but we share all sales with all Realtors and work for the best benefit to the Clients. Refusing to do that would hurt everyone involved and this looks like exactly what Garmin is doing. I assign no blame and certainly do not speak for Navionics on this, totally a personal observation....It is true that business is business and they have to make the call they prefer and accept the results.
Tommy
Prostaff Lowrance/Navico
Prostaff Specialist/Navionics

[skeeterbrain]

All kinds of information but not one response to my original post.

[haus9393]

All kinds of information but not one response to my original post.

I have it but I can still use it