Hard Start '07 115 E-Tec

[jeffnick]

I've got about 1 1/2 hrs on my new motor.
The last time out at the ramp (only the second time on the water), she just didn't want to start - she'd spin fine, pop a few times and die, never even getting up to idle speed. It did this for about 5 minutes while trying to unload the boat...quite embarassing for a new motor.

I 'tested' it while warm on the water and it was still inconsistent. Sometimes light right up, sometimes she'd spin for 20 seconds before catching. Once she idles, she's fine.

I also noticed that there's about a 20 degree flat spot in the throttle. She goes into gear at the notch like she should, then I need to move the handle quite a ways before I get any R's.

Dealer closed today so I thought I'd post here in case it's something I can do instead of taking her the 100 miles back to have it looked at.

She runs extremely well and is soooo quiet.

[jbosch]

Hey,

Mine's the same way as far as the throttle is concerned. It takes a bunch af throttle movement on the low end to increase engine speed. I guess it's normal. As far as the hard start.. . .Mine had a problem when warm starting. The only time I ever had problem on a cold start, I just squeezed the primer bulb a few times, and it lit right up. I don't beleive that you don't have to prime these things. You need to make sure that you have the latest map upgrade, or you will have starting issues sometimes. Get the upgrade and it will take care of the hot start issues if you have any, and will smooth out the idle. I had mine done, and have had no problems since.

Good luck

[AquaMarineNJ]

Is the new map update installed? It just came out.
Is the starter kicking out or it starts & fluba flubas at startup?

There is a fix for starter kicking out? Have your dealer contact dealer support.

The map may fix hard to start cold & fluba flubas at startup .

Map 3030352, PCN 93420, Release Date 08/28/2006, Motor 115 ETEC / 60° SUC
New map for improved start up and idle control.

[jeffnick]

Thanks for the replies...

Brand new motor - just delivered from BRP this week.

The starter stays engaged (otherwise she wouldn't eventually start). When she does start, it's instantaneous, when she doesn't, it's like a relay needs to kick in to allow her to get spark?

[AquaMarineNJ]

Did you get a profile printout from the engine? Remember the engine was built before the map release. The dealer would have had to load it. We delivered some engine the same day as a release & still had to load them later.

If you got a print out the info should be on there, but just call your dealer and ask if they loaded the map above before delivery. (I loaded a map once during delivery because I noticed a new one was released.)

[AquaMarineNJ]

If it has the new map, Just bring it back to the dealer and have them check it over as well.

I've seen hard cold start issues & all have been fixable.

One other question, did you prime the primer bulb? I know, stupid question but todays fuels are vaporizing and causeing issues. Priming the ball before startup does really help even though most of the time you can zing it off.

[SEAHORSE]

Like AM-NJ mentioned, have the dealer put the latest software update in it. Until then, when you are trying to start it, especially if the back end is buried low in the water such as on a trailer at a steep ramp or on a heavy boat, tilt the motor up so the prop is just breaking out of the water, but the intakes are still covered. This relieves any backpressure and the motor should start right up, then tilt it down right away, and the motor will run fine.

As to the sloppy throttle, perhaps the control cable has too much play in it and the slack is not taken out of the throttle end.

[jeffnick]

Tried starting it on the hose this morning. It took 5 tries -- about 3 or 4 seconds cranking time, then she runs about a second and dies.

After it did idle, I shut it off and tried again...letting the check engine lights cycle on then off before engaging the starter. It spun for 3 or 4 seconds, then idled, then the check engine lights cycled again. Tried it again with the same results, and again - each time I'd let the check engine lights cycle on and off before engaging the starter and they would again cycle on then off after the motor started.

I let it run for a few minutes more, then tried it again. This time, no second cycling of the check engine lights and she lit up with only a second or so of cranking.

My dealer says, "If the problem continues, bring it in." I can't believe the three years has gone so quickly between visits to the dealer.

[AquaMarineNJ]

Map 3030352, PCN 93420, Release Date 08/28/2006, Motor 115 ETEC / 60° SUC
New map for improved start up

[jeffnick]

Thanks y'all.
I'm taking her back to the dealer tomorrow. They said they'd fix it while I wait. I'll keep you posted.

[AquaMarineNJ]

Have them watch the key on time on initial startup. The reseting of the system check and your prior statments would make me pay special attention to it when it was first started cold.

They should hopfully know how to watch the EMM on time with the labtop.

Good Luck and hope all is well.

[blackrhino12]

"Is the starter kicking out or it starts & fluba flubas at startup?"
AquaMarineNJ
Is that a question or ir there indeed a fix for "premature starter release?' Seriously though mt 07 115 is very hard to start and it seems the starter disengages in a second or two without the motor starting. Help please.

[AquaMarineNJ]

Yes a fix, there is a shim that is put in the starter abendix to raise the gear engagment height. This is normally seen when the engine is warm.

fluba flubas is the map.

Do the map change first. The map alone may address your issue.

[jeffnick]

Aqua/SeaHorse,

Thanks for the help.

Got the map updated (it was old) and had the TPS reset this morning. She's real quick to warm start now both in the water and on the hose. We'll try the cold start tomorrow morning...then if all is well, we'll get in some sea time.

When the new motor is set up for XD-100, do you run the XD-100 right from the start, or do you 'break it in' for a couple hours on a dose of XD-50?

And how long does the double oiling last?

[AquaMarineNJ]

XD100 for XD100. Do not use anything else if your programmed for XD100.

Please repost on the map results for cold startup. It will be nice to know it worked out for you.

[jeffnick]

Started her up this morning on the hose...'took about 2 seconds of cranking, she lit up, ran high idle for an instant and then came back town to a nice smooth 550rpm.

I did it a second time to be sure -- same results.

On the 3rd try, I let the check engine lights cycle on then off before I turned the key to engage the starter. She lit right up, then went through the check engine sequence again. I guess you wouldn't ever notice this if you didn't wait for the lights to cycle off before engaging the starter -- like was standard procedure for my Ficht (something about letting fuel pump work).

Anyway, we're golden now in the driveway. Hope to get her out on the water soon.

Thanks for all the help/support. It is daunting when a brand spanking new motor is delivered without the brains it needs to run correctly.

[AquaMarineNJ]

You can blame that on the fuel change.

I'm sure the E-10 gas is causeing alot of the map changes and issues seen at low speeds & startups. Good thing BRP is quick to respond. They have been great with us. We started to see a change in the commercial engines & they responded in fixing the issue before most of the normal people would. I would like to say that our commercial engines are running strong and great.

There will alway be changes in this ever changing world.

Let us know when you put it in the water how it works.