Another rod i built...spiral wrapped :)

[Bassman25]

7' MH cranking stick built on a Rainshadow blank CB70MH...fuji reelseat, pac bay guides and spiral wrapped...I love it!!!!!!!!

[bigfishingstud]

i had a g-loomis for 20 years with a spiral wrap. and it didn't look nothing like that

[Bassman25]

This is called bumper spiral wrapped...keeps the line completely away from the blank at all times...kind of a new age deal buddy

[bass57348]

And the theory behind this would be????? Please fill me in

[jimmy7]

why all the double foot guides? :)

the bumper spiral wrap allows you to make the transition to the bottom of the rod in 2 guides... and does help alleviate some of the tangle issues associated with a "traditional" spiral wrapped rod

[Bassman25]

To tell the truth, all i had were double footed guides to work with at that time My next one will have singles all the way down...IMO this way of spiral wrapping makes the rod more sensative especially in a cranking rod...it also makes it easier to throw a long ways and you can throw longer with it than a regular wrapped rod...Having the line come out at the bottom makes it more like a spinning rod when it comes to throwing baits...much easier...i like the way they work.

I had Russ Blanchard build me a beautiful cranking rod that i am in love with and it had spiral wrapping the exact same way and its my number one rod to use when it comes to cranking...just amazing how smooth it feels to have a spiral wrapped rod...try and decide....they are not for everyone,,, some folks dont like the way they look and some do...I think they look cool and the fuctionality is phenominal

[Backlash Ar]

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Dave...I'm no rod builder but I have had more than a couple of custom rods made for me and in talking about spiral wrapping with the different rod makers this is what I've found out. (B-T-W, actual spiral wrapping is not a new innovation and has been around since the early 1900's).

The biggest advantage to using a spiral wrapped rod is that there is no torsion or twisting force applied to the blank when the rod is under a load. The spiral wrap moves the line to the bottom of the blank and makes the blank more stable because blank twist is eliminated (also, at no time will the line touch the blank). The twisting of a blank can lead to breakage especially with higher modulus rod blanks when fighting a large fish or "crossing their eyes" on a hard hook set. I have not personally noticed any difference in casting ability or sensitivity over a conventionally wrappped rod. Note: Be sure the transition rod guide is on the same side that your reel handle is on. Hope this helps.

[Luke]

Larry hit it on the head one of the main uses for the Spiral wrap is to take the "load" off of the blank when having something heavy on
if you take a 6lb weight attach it to your line and lift it up and put a "load" on the rod the end of the rod will actually "twist" the blank and puts a lot of strain on the blank the spiral wraps wont do that because of the eyes on the bottom side of the blank
that is one of the main uses for the spiral wraps
they say that it also makes the rod a little more sensitive because the line does not have the tendancy to touch the blank when fishing therefore loosing some of the "feel" through the line but i really havent noticed any huge diffrence there

[RedneckfromRI]

Very good explanation there Larry!!!!

I will add another benifit to using any type of spiral wrap is that you can normally set it up with one and sometime two less guides!! Which means less wraps and less epoxy!!
That equals less weight!!!!

[896J]

I like spiral wrapped guides for flipping and heavy pithcing rods. Interestingly enough, the blank manufacturers do not change their warranty for spiral wrapped rods. I'm not convinced that spiral wrapping guides will keep blanks from twisting unless the person using the rod only sets the hook and fights the fish with the rod going up and not sideways. I set the hook sideways alot for cranks, ripbaits, spinnerbaits, etc. In that case there is little or no advantage to spiral wrapping. If you lift fish into the boat with the rod, spiral wrapping can definitely decrease the likelyhood of breaking the rod, but it's still a bad idea to lift fish into the boat with your rod like you see the pros do on Bassmaster. A lot of broken rods occur from lifting fish into the boat. That said, I think there is no disadvantage to spiral wrapping, and it can even allow one to use fewer guides, making the rod lighter. Nice lookin' rod Bassman25, I just built a rod using the CB70MH blank and that is a sweet blank. It's as soft as a glass rod, but light and sensitive because it's graphite. I also like that the tip doesn't flop around when casting like glass rods do.

[jimmy7]

i still argue that you wont feel a difference with a spiral wrapped rod as far as torque. 896 does bring up a good point that if you retrieve or hookset from the side, the spiral wrap does little to reduce the torque (because the guides will always want to twist in the direction of the rod bend). generally there is more torque caused on baitcaster simply by the weight of the baitcaster wanting to fall to the bottom of the rod!

as far as lifting 6#... i dont have many rods that i would want to do that with! and unfortunately the bass here in WI aint generally that big!

remember the other downfall of the spiral wrap is the ease of rods tangling when strapped to the deck next to other rods or snagged when put in the small tubes in rod organizers usually have for baitcasters

[Backlash Ar]

Food for thought: This is JMHO, but I believe that the blank will twist on a conventional wrapped rod when the weight is lifted straight up because the rod tip is smaller than the rod butt and can't withstand the same amount of torsion so the blank will twist. As far as getting tangled when strapped to the deck...that's why the transition guide has to be on the same side of the blank as the reel handle. (When you strap your rods down you do so with the reel handle up). I'm referring here to a Bumper style spiral wrap opposed to a revolver type spiral wrap. On a revolver type the builder takes at least two guides to get the line to the bottom of the blank, and with the Bumper style wrap the builder only uses one guide to get the line to the bottom.

[bass57348]

Larry, Luke and all thanks for the explination. I understand I think

No it does make sence, the force under load is downward thru the blank on a conventional rod, and with any twist in the blank it will torque the blank and possibly breaking it, and with the spiral wrapped you can avoid the majority of it.

[RedneckfromRI]

Geez...................All of my casting rods are spiral wrapped both bumper and standard and I have never had a problem with my rod tubes or them getting tangled on the deck................Guess I am the exception to the rule.....................

Bottom line is there is no reason not to build them spiral. everyone is entitled to their opinion but why build them on top and need more guides to insure that the line doesnt contact the blank which adds unnecessary weight when you can build spiral and use less guides.

[saodma]

I just have a few questions. Does spiral wraps affect the type and size of line you can use. I was reading an article the other day that said the front guide on spinning rods can fail under strain because of the way the pressure is put on them. They also said bait casters do not suffer this because the guide is on the tops. Also all big money rods claim more eyes equal better feel and sensitivity. I am looking for answers. In your opinions how true is this. Thanks for the help..

[jimmy7]

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you are an exception, russ! hehe

some of the rod organizers seem to have small diameter tubes and those cause issues (heck they can cause issues with standard "guides on top") I have replaced a ton of guides on rods this summer from guys in my bass club snagging them in rod organizer tubes!

long and short of this whole arguement (which has been debated in fishing circles for YEARS). Spiral/conventional wraps dont effect power and action of a rod significantly. They dont effect casting distance either (although any crappily built rod can effect casting distance!). get what you want!