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Roman Catholic Cathedral in Pisa.
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Roman Catholic Cathedral in Pisa.
It is obviously a beautiful cathedral, though we have no idea as to what part of scripture if any this may possibly represent.
What's the reader trying to decide? That's some very beautiful artwork.
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Whether a sculpture of God and Jesus giving Mary a/their crown is remotely Biblical…Originally Posted by sdbrison
In Revelation 12, is God or Christ give the woman their crown? or does it say that the woman has a crown with 12 stars. Perhaps, 1000 yrs ago when they built that cathedral, they may have meant to represent such a part in scriptures, since places of worship in those days they used pictorials to teach the bible.
Cattedrale Metropolitana Primaziale di Santa Maria AssuntaDuomo di Pisa is a medieval Roman Catholic cathedral dedicated to the Assumption of the Virgin Mary, in the Piazza dei Miracoli in Pisa, Italy, with construction began in 1063 and was completed in 1092.
BTW titan, the words in bold y'all see, it was my mamma's name, who I cherish to this very day. Reckon, some things are in the eyes of the beholder, though in my opinion, I try to look at things in the beauty art is trying to convey, since there is more interpretations of Revelation 12 in the last 2000 yrs that one can imagine.
I don't know, but my guess is that God, Jesus, and Mary look nothing like that!??!!??
So Jesus , Mary , god , and for the win holy spirt coming down like a dove above her head ..lol
Very true Frank, one interpretation of Revelation 12 is that the woman is Mary. It is apocalyptic writing, so there is a lot of imagery and representation for sure. But it says the woman gave birth to a son who would rule all nations - it seems logical given the rest of Scripture that is Jesus. . Incidentally, at the end of that chapter it calls all who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus her children.
The other thing to remember, in the Kingdom of Israel, the Queen was the mother of the King. Jesus is the king of heaven and earth, the Davidic King that will establish the throne of David forever (2 Samuel 7:16) Mary is His mother - hence the queen. Maybe that’s what the art work was trying to depict.
It certainly is beautiful though!
I’m confused by the lol….
Do I take it you some how see this as a representation of the Trinity yielding power to Mary? I don’t know any Catholic ever that believes that!
they are making fun of the role that the BVM has.....
Sacred Heart of Mary, pray for us now, and at the hour of our death. AMEN
O blood and water which gush forth from the heart of Jesus, have mercy on us
For the sake of his sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and the whole world
Yes, there were a few times that the mother was the queen in the kings that followed David, but those kings were under age, so the mother was operating as chancellor until they could rule on their own.
BTW, couple of those mothers tried to kill their sons in order to maintain their power.
About the killing, that is true. But not all of the queens were because they were under age. The kings had many wives (Solomon) which one would be the queen? Rather look at 1 Kings 2:19. Bathsheba is given that place of honor.
Ok i wasn’t meaning anything by my comment. The post in my opinion was very vague. So no one had mentioned the holy spirt , so I was joking around and said for the win the holy spirt, just naming what I saw . So sorry if u didn’t see what my humor was but in now way was I taking a shot at anyone’s beliefs . You were clearly reading it differently than the true meaning
Ha, Bathsheba was the wife of Uriah the Hittite, who by her actions of being a very loose woman, had her husband killed by king David, who later was punished by God in terminating the life of the child made in adultery. In my opinion she deserved to be properly stoned as with any other harlot, yet having committed adultery with king David and all the lies David used to cover the matter, she was spared.
So, do you still think that she is merits honor?
I don’t think she was honorable. I was just reading what scripture said: “Then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king’s mother, who sat at his right.”
To be fair i think she was exploited and taken advantage of by David, but that’s par for the course in a broken world….
Last edited by fishinFamily; 11-09-2023 at 12:09 AM. Reason: Added the quote from 1 Kings
Let’s take a step back and look at Revelation 12 for a moment or two. To jump ahead to the answer - the “woman” is Israel, the “dragon” is Satan, and the “child” is Jesus.
Throughout the Old Testament, Israel was often referred to as a “ woman” in various forms of the term (Isaiah 54:1-6; Jeremiah 3:20; Ezekiel 16:8-14; Hosea 2:19-20). In the book of Revelation, the imagery of a woman was repeatedly used to portray religious systems - Jezebel, the Great Harlot, the Bride. In Revelation 12, John sees a vision that mirrors the dream Jacob had in Genesis 37:9-11, where Jacob states, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” Jacob’s offspring became the twelfth star which represents the twelve tribes of Israel - which is why the “woman” is wearing a crown of “twelve stars” on her head. But, do not take my word for it, the United States Conferences of Catholic Bishops notes:
”The woman adorned with the sun, the moon, and the stars (images taken from Genesis 37:9-11) symbolizes God’s people in the Old and New Testaments. Israel of old gave birth to the Messiah.”
Further support for the Catholic not to believe the “woman” described in Revelation 12 was Mary is in verse 2, “She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” Catholic mythology would have one believe that “Mary did not experience the pain of child birth” (www.catholic.com).
The point I was making with the photograph of the sculpture in the Catholic cathedral was to once again high-light the deification of Mary through idolatry. The sculpture depicts God and Jesus, who are sitting to the left and right of the centered Mary, placing a crown on her head. It is blasphemous polytheism. Putting it kindly, it is a stretch of Biblical proportion to believe that a simple, sinful human being is the “mother of God” as God was never born, nor created. Being the surrogate vessel through which Jesus/God entered humanity does not make Mary the “mother of God”. It is heresy and a gross misuse of semantics.
Digthemup - Your mother had a beautiful name and your reverence of her is a testament to the kind of mother she was.
Mary delivered Jesus to the world, therefore she was His mother, just like any other mother who delivers a child. The fact that Jesus is God in human form, one could surmise Mary is the mother of the Living God.Putting it kindly, it is a stretch of Biblical proportion to believe that a simple, sinful human being is the “mother of God” as God was never born, nor created. Being the surrogate vessel through which Jesus/God entered humanity does not make Mary the “mother of God”. It is heresy and a gross misuse of semantics.
All sheep are eventually led to slaughter
If you are referring to what I wrote, you once again didn’t bother to read it and made an assumption. I never said Mary was referred to in Rev 12. Go back and look. Actually I said Revelation is full of imagery and representation. You know what else is full of imagery and representation? Art.
Fishinfamily,
I am afraid this might be getting too personal at his point. The only assumption that was made was you assuming I did not read your previous post (#8) in which you said, “…one interpretation of Revelation 12 is that the woman is Mary.” Digthemup also reference Revelation 12 by stating how the medieval church of that day interpreted scripture through pictures/statues. Therefore, I addressed the meaning of Revelation 12 in my response for some clarification. Please do not think I hold anything against your for your views. Honest, frank and at times sensitive discussions of God’s Word, is extremely valuable to the believer and those first learning the Gospel.
As far as art being full of imagery and representation - I completely agree, even when the art is imagery and representation of false teaching and heresy.
In quoting me, you left off the beginning which shows that was not my thoughts but I was just acknowledging what Frank wrote.
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