Pete Rose

[OH_Ranger]

Not really a HOF without the guy with the most all time hits in.

The best hitter of all time isn't in the Hall either.

[BigFishSteve]

Jose McGuire said it best.

[bzbrent]

The best hitter of all time isn't in the Hall either.

Right…and like Pete will likely not be alive when he's invited.

-b-

[yatesville88fan]

Ohtani’s interpreter recently pled guilty, was ordered to payback the 17 million he stole from Ohtani, and received a 5 year sentence. That’s a high price to pay to cover for your boss.

Bet he never pays that money back.

[ardenbass]

Bet he never pays that money back.

Maybe not. But those are the facts.

[Fuzzy12]

So stupid to wait till the man is dead!

Just sad, isn’t it! Grew up watching him.

[Hoot]

Remember Rose wasn’t betting with a Legal Sports Book at Vegas he was betting with individuals he later referred to in Sports Illustrated Article as Scumbags.

He wasn’t just betting on MLB and was losing heavy on other sports those guys he calls Scumbags weren’t impressed with him personally, his past heroics or number of hits they wanted paid.

He sold the bat he set the hit record with to pay off his gambling debts and probably lucky he got caught when he did.

Think he made more money off being a controversial character on the outside looking in as he turned it into a cottage industry.

[stein3411]

I respect all of your opinions, You have to admit, the "BIG RED MACHINE" was impressive.

[yatesville88fan]

Maybe not. But those are the facts.

Well u just know they did a great investigation and found those facts. U know he had a history of gambling problems before he came to the US.

[ardenbass]

Well u just know they did a great investigation and found those facts. U know he had a history of gambling problems before he came to the US.

Ohtani is still playing baseball and no one has offered legitimate proof he shouldn’t be. Anyway you’re just deflecting for a guy who gambled on baseball while managing the Reds. The proof is there and he admitted to it. He also admitted to worse things in court. I’m not going to get behind a guy like that.

[yatesville88fan]

Ohtani is still playing baseball and no one has offered legitimate proof he shouldn’t be. Anyway you’re just deflecting for a guy who gambled on baseball while managing the Reds. The proof is there and he admitted to it. He also admitted to worse things in court. I’m not going to get behind a guy like that.

Maybe not the best guy in the world. But there are a lot of not so nice guys in the HOF. The all time hit leader should b in the HOF. Or it’s not much of a HOF.

[ardenbass]

Maybe not the best guy in the world. But there are a lot of not so nice guys in the HOF. The all time hit leader should b in the HOF. Or it’s not much of a HOF.

The HOF won’t be better with a guy who bet on baseball, admitted to worse things in a court case involving John Dowd, is a convicted felon, and went to prison. Heck FOX couldn’t tolerate him. They removed him from there postseason coverage. I have also pointed out there are bad characters currently in the HOF. Doesn’t mean another one should get in. Also all this just takes away from the other members of the Big Red Machine. Bench, Morgan, and Perez are in the HOF and all are overshadowed by Rose.

[Rider99XX]

Maybe not. But those are the facts.

There's no way on Gods green earth you can make me believe Ohtani didn't know what his money was being used for and how much he made from it. WAY too much money exchanged hands for him not to know where it went.

Those are the facts.

[ProVle]

I do not think betting had anything to do with all these MLB records. https://prosportsoutlook.com/7-recor...be-in-the-hof/

[Rider99XX]

I do not think betting had anything to do with all these MLB records. https://prosportsoutlook.com/7-recor...be-in-the-hof/

100% agree.

[AMSDJS]

There's no way on Gods green earth you can make me believe Ohtani didn't know what his money was being used for and how much he made from it. WAY too much money exchanged hands for him not to know where it went.

Those are the facts.

No idea how you can state with certainty about something that you are not personally privy to. Essentially, only Ohtani and his "interpreter/personal assistant" know what went down. Not only that the big difference between Rose's case and Ohtani is, Shohei wasn't the one placing bets on games. Rose gambled while he was a manager of the team, which to me is worse than if he were one of nine on the field with much less influence on the outcome of a game.

There have been dozens of similar cases where pro athletes (not to mention celebs and entertainers) have been swindled out of millions by people they once trusted to manage their money. As pro athletes I'm sure they are laser focused on their craft, both in-season and off-season, and probably don't watch over their account balances every day like most people have to. Thieves figure out crafty ways to hide their trail. Gamblers usually don't realize how deep they are in it until what they owe gets so large they resort to drastic measures which do them in. Pete Rose was an incredible baseball player - I grew up watching the Reds play my 70's Cubs at Wrigley when I was a kid. I'm guessing only a few people know the extent of Rose's gambling habits and the public will never know how and what games were wagered on. MLB has always had a clear policy on gambling since the 1919 scandal. Rose knew this and still bet on games while an active player/manager.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/...df1cb165801853

[ProVle]

Pete bet on his team to win never to lose. "For me, the thrill wasn't about the odds. I got involved because I was rooting for my teams — no, believing in my teams. I bet the Reds to win every time. I bet the Phillies to win even though they were huge underdogs and on a losing streak," Rose wrote. "It wasn't the smart way to bet. But it was my gut feeling ... and I always bet with my guy. I never — ever — bet against my teams. If I had, I'd be doubting everything I believed in. And, hell, to my way of thinking, we were going to win every night. You can't be a competitor and think otherwise."

[MI bassassassin]

Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan and Mike Schmidt had gone to the Commissioner years ago. There was a plan put in place for Pete to get reinstated with certain conditions that had to be met.

Rose wanted nothing to do with it claiming he was going to beat this. There were also repeated attempts over the years from friends who were former teammates to try and get him to humble himself to work out a solution.

He would have been reinstated years ago and most likely enjoyed the HOF experience except his extreme arrogance and ego wouldn’t let him. So who really deserves the blame for his situation?

Who was president at the time?

[ardenbass]

There's no way on Gods green earth you can make me believe Ohtani didn't know what his money was being used for and how much he made from it. WAY too much money exchanged hands for him not to know where it went.

Those are the facts.

No. That’s your opinion

[ardenbass]

No idea how you can state with certainty about something that you are not personally privy to. Essentially, only Ohtani and his "interpreter/personal assistant" know what went down. Not only that the big difference between Rose's case and Ohtani is, Shohei wasn't the one placing bets on games. Rose gambled while he was a manager of the team, which to me is worse than if he were one of nine on the field with much less influence on the outcome of a game.

There have been dozens of similar cases where pro athletes (not to mention celebs and entertainers) have been swindled out of millions by people they once trusted to manage their money. As pro athletes I'm sure they are laser focused on their craft, both in-season and off-season, and probably don't watch over their account balances every day like most people have to. Thieves figure out crafty ways to hide their trail. Gamblers usually don't realize how deep they are in it until what they owe gets so large they resort to drastic measures which do them in. Pete Rose was an incredible baseball player - I grew up watching the Reds play my 70's Cubs at Wrigley when I was a kid. I'm guessing only a few people know the extent of Rose's gambling habits and the public will never know how and what games were wagered on. MLB has always had a clear policy on gambling since the 1919 scandal. Rose knew this and still bet on games while an active player/manager.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/...df1cb165801853

Tell me what part wasn’t a fact. Pled guilty. Sentenced to 5 years. Ordered to pay Ohanti back.