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    Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed!

    Fellas I have to go to a wedding today. So I decided to go to a local lake and run the pro et for a while. While my wife was getting her hair and nails and all that wedding crap done. I really wanted to go try for topspeed but really didn't have time. So I went to a local lake thats bout 20 miles in legnth and only has 4 short straights and every one has a 90 deg curve goning into and coming out of. I have never been faster than 80/81 on this lake cause its nothing but curves.

    Today I have experienced something totally weird to me. This PRO ET is weird and makes my boat feel like a totally different boat!! My best running prop has been my 29 hydro. But comparing it to this pro et would be worse than comparing apples to oranges.

    This pro et has way tooooo much bow lift. But the stern lift is right on the money. Power delivery is smooth and consistant. Until the hull starts to naturally lift. I believe if you could filp a 2200 over backwards then you can do it with this prop. 21XDC (Mike Lohn) Likes to fly with excessive bow lift, SO He is going to love this prop.

    At one certain spot right before the hull naturally lifts my boat porpused trimming up fixed this but soon as the bow starts up the prop wants to help out too and before you know it you hung up in the air a good bit. It was pretty hard to regulate.

    After playing with engine height etc. I broke my speed record on this curvy lake. I managed to hit 85 on one stretch right before a curve. I was also able to run through curves at unbelievable speeds. I went into several curves at 81. Handling is un real normally I'd have to trim back down to the point that the tunnels were in the water to make these curves at 65 mph. Then its like the boat is on rails and the G force wants to throw you in the side of the boat. This prop gave me the stern height I needed to slide through these curves.

    I don't have trim tabs and I don't think I could've ran this prop without them if my tuner wasn't cut. However take off is slower and doesn't require full throttle. Then engine spoools up quick and breaks loose under full throttle at about 3500. After playing with the take off I got it down pretty decent. Half throttle to about 3500 then I gradually increased the throttle to full throttle and start trimming up at the same time I inreased the throttle. Basically it takes me approx. 5 to 6 seconds. But the thing is when the bow comes down and I am on my way the stern is already up. So I keep adding trim and top speed comes quick. Much quicker than I have ever seen from a dead stop.

    One stretch I hit 84 on I stopped and filled the livewells up. I filled them both up to the point they were overflowing. Got me a running go and made it up to 82. Not too shabby. considering I had just put 40 gallons of water in it which would calculate to about 320 lbs. Along with 4 70lb batteries.

    Best of the day results ended up being.
    2200 300PM 15 1/2 inches of setback
    30 PRO ET 1.75 geared sportsmaster
    1.25 below the pad at 85 mph at 6000 rpm a little under neutral on the trim.
    Had my full fishing gear in the boat approx. 150lbs and bout 8 rods and me 260lbs.

    This prop virtually has no steering torque at any time!!!!

    More testing to come soon as I can get to the river and strech he legs. I really think I can bump the engine up after I reach top speed a get a little more. Cause this prop seems to really like to run high.

    I think preston is right and that the lab version might be better on the gambler if they prove to hold up. And if the stern lifting part of the prop hasn't been removed making the lab version.

    21 ft Stroker / 300 Yamaha with Hydrotech sportsmaster

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    Re: Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed! (Matt Mc)

    the pro finish has extra cupping to help lift heavier boats....the gamblers just dont need bow lift in a prop...you get plenty out of the hull... i would love to try the lab finished in a 28.... but thats a lot of jack if it dont run....
    LD

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    Re: Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed! (Matt Mc)

    I want one!

    Please let me know the details on the prop so I may order one.

    Sean Hill
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    Re: Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed! (Matt Mc)

    Thanks for the info, now I'm getting it for sure. I just won't tell the wife.

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    Re: Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed! (ungotz)

    LD,
    I sold my 2100 today. The guy is driving from Louisiana and I will be at the factory on Monday the 18th for delivery. Is there anyway you can be down that way? Obviously the boat is leaving with a 26 Trophy on the back and not the lab finished ET. If you would like to run the 28 lab, I will be there most of the day. Let me know. I know Bob really wants to run it as well. I don't know if they are going to have a boat ready for him to run the prop, but at any rate, I will be bringing the prop with me.

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    Re: Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed! (Bensy)

    Thanks for the report Matt...

    I've had a 26 Pro ET - Pro Finish ordered since last August through my dealer and we still haven't seen it. From your report and the info Preston shared in another post, it's sounds like I may as well cancel that order and order a 28 from either Jaco's or Glenn Reynolds...just wish I could get my family insider pricing from one of them...LD, you know I'll let you try it when I get it


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    Re: Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed! (Maxpress)

    I would recommend everyone try to find one to run first. I am sure some are not going to like the way their boat is going to handle. It takes some driving skill and will make you feel on the edge of out of control. But thats the way I like things on the edge of out of control. The hydro is simplified not much driving involved. Get in mash the gas and hang on. The pro et is a little loose on top side. I think it will get better with a little more seat time and some long water.

    21 ft Stroker / 300 Yamaha with Hydrotech sportsmaster

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    Re: Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed! (Matt Mc)

    Keep us posted with your results were all wanting to know the final results asap... I have several props I could liquidate and get a Pro ET if it's the cats meow....





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    Re: Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed! (carolina killer)

    Terry I still haven't had time to go try for top speed. But I went and fished a monday night 3hr. Tourney. Hole shot was terrible. Everyone pretty much left me till things got wound up. I caught and passed most but I don't think I could have caught everyone even if I hadn't turned off. I was running full load. 3/4 fuel and had me and my wife. I really like the stern lift I get. But the take off, and the midrange kick isn't too hot. The prop holds curves good but if you have to lower the hull, then it takes longer to get things back going again. These two problems are amost enough for me to cull the pro et idea. If topspeed is greatly improved then I may look into a set of aftermarket tabs. If not then I will sell it and go with a 30 hydro and try to get mark to set it up to have the stern lift I am getting with the pro et. I really think that a hydro. worked is best all around for me with out tabs. The kick of my hydro feels like your in a sports car. The pro et feels like I am in a diesel pickup strong, and smooth. I perfer a kick of a sports car spraying a 200 shot of nos. Terry I think if I had my heads done and trim tabs I'd like it better. I am spinning a 30 so a 28 might have a better kick. But My rpms are around 6000 at 85. I am really not sure if there is much more there. Just need more time and a little more seat time with it.

    21 ft Stroker / 300 Yamaha with Hydrotech sportsmaster

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    Re: Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed! (Matt Mc)

    Thanks for the update Matt holeshot is one thing that is hard to overcome.. I keep telling my friends that if a guy beats you 3 seconds on holeshot and is strong all the way up to 80 and you struggle with holeshot and it takes you a while to get up to speed and your running 83 it takes you a long ways to catch the guy doing 80 when he can get there a lot quicker... I have my Hydro at Marks right now having it tweeked on I think the propblem with the SS with the outboard cut is the fact that they are putting to much tip cup in the prop therefore killing rpms.. I am going to have at least half the tip cup taken out and straighten the blades out just a little I think they roll back to much.. I will let you know how this works out I still think that a high pitch cleaver prop with a O/T hub with PVS plugs and added stern lift would be a fast prop on the Gamblers.. The 28 Trophy is still the best all around prop on my boat but I think that once I get this hydro dialed in that may change...





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    Re: Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed! (carolina killer)

    The holeshot is what I was concerned with also. I have run some OTH props on my Intimidator before and was less than impressed with how they acted on the initial hit. My 2.5 200 has no mid drilling and the bucket is still in place so all of the exhaust goes over the hub. The combination of that and 2:1 gears makes for a very lazy high RPM launch.My Gambler has the recesses for the TAC but I do not have them.. The best prop I run to date is a Lab finished 28P Hydro Quad IV X O/B with dual PVS. This prop comes out of the hole as well as my 27 Quad( Which calculated to closer to a 26P) and dropped my slippage down to around 11%. I have only been able to run this prop on a short burst to 6100rpm but I think that I can turn it around 6400 which should put me in the high 70 range. I do a lot more holeshot and midrange running so I am more concerned with how the boat comes out of the hole loaded to fish and cruises because that is where I spend most of the time. With this prop can stay up on plane as slow as 19mph loaded and the prop is still "Hooked up" very well...

    I hate to hear that the Pro ET has these deficiencies ( but I expected them really) because they sure are a sharp looking wheel and do seem to work well once they get up and going but it is too hard to change a prop at 60mph

    Oh well, didn't mean to Hijack your thread.. I just wanted to input a little...

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    Re: Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed! (TheRickster)

    I have got to send my hydro back for some more work. My slip is good light but goes to 20% with a tourney load.

    Terry that is exactly what I experienced monday. If I would have had my hydro on that wouldn't have happened. Or at least not as bad. Running down boats a few boat legnths ahead isn't so bad but running down boats that are already a good 75yards is pretty hard especially if you don't have much of a place to do it in.

    Terry i really feel that if you could incorporate the pro et design with out so much tip cup on a hydro or bravo bell. Then you would have the perfect gambler prop. I think the rake, trailing edge is right on. on the pro et for our boats.

    21 ft Stroker / 300 Yamaha with Hydrotech sportsmaster

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    Re: Results!! Pretty LONG and detailed! (Matt Mc)

    The rake and trailing edge is what I am changing on my Hydro and taking about half of the tip cup out that Hydro puts into the SST outboard cut.. I think I am on the right track I will know more next week when I get it back.. It's hard to beat the Hydro for hole shot and midrange... I think I am on the right track to get that one or two more mph that is needed for the Hydro to be the ultimate prop for the Gambler but only time and testing will tell if I am or not.. The Hydro has a sweep back blade regressive rake I am thinking if that rake was a little more progressive or closer to straight that would solve some of the slip issues and more cup added right where the trailing edge of the blade enters the hub for more stern lift and the tip cup reduced on the SST Outboard cut which is what I have then it might just work...
    I wish they made the Pro ET in a O/T hub with PVS holes then you could have some of the tip cupping taken out or change the rake and that would solve the bow lift issue.. And with the O/T hub with PVS holes you could fine tune your holeshot for each individual boat or motor...





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