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    Market action certainly doesn't give me a warm fuzzy bullish feeling
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    Quote Originally Posted by boneil View Post
    Market action certainly doesn't give me a warm fuzzy bullish feeling
    Me either. I think the news announcement yesterday sparked short covering and now we are heading back down.

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    Giving back everything it gained yesterday. Not encouraging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boneil View Post
    Market action certainly doesn't give me a warm fuzzy bullish feeling
    So much this, the China tariffs are still on and that is the most important one in the world for us. Also, the one that has the power.

    I am eyeballing a few buys but haven't pulled the trigger yet. I would guess we have more red coming.

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    I did some tax loss harvesting and bought T with the proceeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boondock View Post
    So much this, the China tariffs are still on and that is the most important one in the world for us. Also, the one that has the power.

    I am eyeballing a few buys but haven't pulled the trigger yet. I would guess we have more red coming.
    Not just still on, but through the roof!

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    Quote Originally Posted by boneil View Post
    Market action certainly doesn't give me a warm fuzzy bullish feeling
    What do you make of weekend announcements?

    It has to rip Monday..... Until something else comes out on T.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TownesZ21 View Post
    What do you make of weekend announcements?

    It has to rip Monday..... Until something else comes out on T.S.

    When the announcements hit about the exemptions I thought, bottom is in. The bond market is in control, we'll get enough exemptions to make the tariffs nearly worthless. And, this turmoil is enough to cause weak economic data that will make the Fed cut rates. The market will look past the next quarter or two and start pricing in the economy 9 to 12 months from now, which will include lower rates, increased govt spending, and maybe some QE.

    BUT then there was some new announcements.........."the exemptions are temporary".

    How THE F can any business operate under this BS. Add in the fact that the exemptions mainly help companies like AAPL and NVDA. Well what about small business? what about the farmers? Is any small business gonna hire under this turmoil? The amount of small businesses that will get wiped out in the coming months if the tariffs and turmoil continue will be catastrophic.

    SO my guess is that we gap up in the futures tonight but I could see us ending Monday red. The market can't price earnings in this environment. It's gonna move from one headline to another until we get stability. Stability might happen in a day or months from now.

    The good news is, dollar cost averaging is gonna work really well during this time of uncertainty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boneil View Post
    When the announcements hit about the exemptions I thought, bottom is in. The bond market is in control, we'll get enough exemptions to make the tariffs nearly worthless. And, this turmoil is enough to cause weak economic data that will make the Fed cut rates. The market will look past the next quarter or two and start pricing in the economy 9 to 12 months from now, which will include lower rates, increased govt spending, and maybe some QE.

    BUT then there was some new announcements.........."the exemptions are temporary".

    How THE F can any business operate under this BS. Add in the fact that the exemptions mainly help companies like AAPL and NVDA. Well what about small business? what about the farmers? Is any small business gonna hire under this turmoil? The amount of small businesses that will get wiped out in the coming months if the tariffs and turmoil continue will be catastrophic.

    SO my guess is that we gap up in the futures tonight but I could see us ending Monday red. The market can't price earnings in this environment. It's gonna move from one headline to another until we get stability. Stability might happen in a day or months from now.

    The good news is, dollar cost averaging is gonna work really well during this time of uncertainty.

    I'm thinking it at least 50% chance we are starting a multi-year bear market. I will be talking with my advisor in a few weeks about dollar cost averaging that would work in if that was the case.
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    Exemptions are now off?????? At this rate they're gonna crash the economy
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    Exemptions are now off?????? At this rate they're gonna crash the economy
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    WH is trying to intentionally cause a recession so they can make themselves look like they are doing a great job bringing things back within the next couple of yrs, so voters can be once again convinced of a great job the GOP is doing hoping to keep control camouflaging their failures.
    Well, it sucks to be us getting caught in the middle of this power grab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digthemup View Post
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    WH is trying to intentionally cause a recession so they can make themselves look like they are doing a great job bringing things back within the next couple of yrs, so voters can be once again convinced of a great job the GOP is doing hoping to keep control camouflaging their failures.
    Well, it sucks to be us getting caught in the middle of this power grab.
    3-ish years to the next election is an eternity. Most people have short attention spans and will have forgotten about the angst this caused and the plan will work.
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    I don't think any administration would really want a recession but I do think they want the short and long term interest rates to go down because of the immense costs of financing our debt. Also Trump is a real estate guy and just about every real estate person I know is screaming about rates and how they are killing them. The crazy thing is this has had the opposite effect and longer term rates are rising because foreign capital is leaving the country. A spike in interest rates brought down Silicon Valley bank so it makes me wonder if they spike if we are going to start seeing concerns over bank failures.

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    @boneil...... Great overview, couldn't agree more.

    I still held my nose and bought some Mega Cap today as I thinking it will be up a fair bit in a few years..... But it could easily go down more before it goes up.

    To your point about how does this help small business or farmers..... I can't imagine many still believe that one. Where in his history has he ever cared about the little guy? Better deal for the country, well his version for sure but his version will be for the people that support him with major dollars. Everything is for sale, he proved that with his "Gold Card". This is a stock comment, I would lean toward the stock of those that have bought favors. Look to who contributed to the inauguration to get special carve outs in the tariffs (Apple just did) and unless they have a blow up look for Musk to get a huge hand out. He already got one huge government contract and an infomercial, they will try to give him more but I'm not sure it will offset how toxic he is with most of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroZ7 View Post
    I don't think any administration would really want a recession but I do think they want the short and long term interest rates to go down because of the immense costs of financing our debt. Also Trump is a real estate guy and just about every real estate person I know is screaming about rates and how they are killing them. The crazy thing is this has had the opposite effect and longer term rates are rising because foreign capital is leaving the country. A spike in interest rates brought down Silicon Valley bank so it makes me wonder if they spike if we are going to start seeing concerns over bank failures.
    I agree they don't really want a recession and they do want to lower rates..... but they are screwing it up bigly.....

    They are also trying to work "the art of the deal" on the world, but those are simply bully tactics and they only work if "you hold the cards". The problem now is their b.s. arguments don't hold up with people smarter than they are and they are getting their bluff called. There will be a few better deals cut, but it is very much to be seen if the net result will be positive..... and that is being polite.

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    Well I just received my quarterly statement from my advisor and my accounts are down less than 4% from January through March. I can live with that. I'm no fan of what's happening or how's it happening, at least some big changes are happening to try to turn the ship instead of going down the same destructive path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff La View Post
    Well I just received my quarterly statement from my advisor and my accounts are down less than 4% from January through March. I can live with that. I'm no fan of what's happening or how's it happening, at least some big changes are happening to try to turn the ship instead of going down the same destructive path.
    Not debating all of it, but "Liberation Day" that was one of the worst in history for the markets was April 2nd..... so not reflected in your statements. There is time for things to recover before the next quarter so if that is your timeline to look you may be ok..... but the recovery we have seen so far was because of the walkbacks. If they keep walking back the tariffs before we hit a recession we might be ok, if not look out below.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TownesZ21 View Post
    Not debating all of it, but "Liberation Day" that was one of the worst in history for the markets was April 2nd..... so not reflected in your statements. There is time for things to recover before the next quarter so if that is your timeline to look you may be ok..... but the recovery we have seen so far was because of the walkbacks. If they keep walking back the tariffs before we hit a recession we might be ok, if not look out below.

    The drops we just had percentage wise are not even in the top 20.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...strial_Average

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