OK I know most of you get this but I just cannot make the connection on this. What does spiral wrapped guides do?I mean how are they better than the regualr straight down the rod guides? I presume that wrapping them either left or right would be for a right or left handed person too? Sorry for the stupid question I just can't get this one.
yes they are a little diffrent than most the bggest thing that they have over a normal style guide setup is the seight distribution......if you would take a normal guided rod and place a 8lb weight on the line then lift it up some and load the rod the blank will actually "twist" and the guides will be facing down.....path of least resistance type thing
now put the same weight on a rod that has spiral guides with the majority of the guides on the bottom and now lift it the blank dosent "twist" because the guides are already on the bottom side of the blank
another thing is that when the guides are on top of the blank the line will eventuallt at some point in time touch the blank (the whole gravity thing happens) and it can make you loose a little of the sensitivity in the line because it is being drowned out by touching the blank
with the spiral the majority of the guides are already on the bottom so no where near as much line contact with the blank
some also say that it improves casting and reduces weight but my oppinion is still out on that one so far i have made one rod with spiral guides and i dont really notice any diffrence to the casting of it at all
hope this clears up some stuff
Very well done there Luke....with the exception of a few typo's!!
I build 100% of my personal rods and about 95% of all customer rods using a spiral setup!! No reason not too!!!
As far as the casting goes........No further but no less either!!
I will say that if you miss the spine by much on a guides up build it can(believe it or not)make the rod less accurate in the casting department!
You will also notice when fighting a large fish on a "guides up" casting rod the line will actually rub on the blank between the guides. This is eliminated w/ the spiral wrap.
reasons not to
1) ugly... i hate trying to explain to people why my guides wrap around the blank. plus i think it looks fugly
2) hurts resale... if you look at turning over your rods every few years, the spiral wrap doesnt appeal to many
3) tangle a lot easier... with guides pointing in every direction, they get tangled easier on the deck and in the rod box
4) not as versital... the guides have to be wrapped for either a right hand or left hand reel to properly lay flat on the deck of a boat...
5) unfortunately the bass around here arent too big and i generally dont catch big and strong enough fish to worry about the line rubbing on the blank. If you fished a lot of offshore or salmon with baitcasting, the "line rubbing on the blank" arguement holds some merit.
more reasons to build a spiral wrap:
1) easier to line up guides (you only have to line up the tip section)
2) you can elminate a guide or two if you are really looking to reduce weight
3) you can show off an brag to your buddies about your superior guide arrangement
Not trying to cause any problems but with all due respect I disagree with jimmy7. <U>Rebuttal to reasons not to</U>:
#1 Ugly...beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I happen to like a spiral wrap and the reason for one, and you don't. To each their own. Everyone likes different things and should get what they want and like.
#2 Hurts resale...well, personally I don't get custom rods built so I can sell them later on down the road. I get them made for a specific technique and plan to hang on to them.
#3 & #4 Tangle easier, and not as versatile...Hmmmm! The rods will still lay flat on the deck when they are placed there in the correct position, which is with the reel handles up. I will agree a person needs to pay particular attention when placing the rods back in the rod storage compartment (tubes)so as not to damage any of the guides.
#5 Plenty of big fish to catch, but like you, they aren't bending my rods much either. And definitely the "line rubbing on the blank" argument holds a lot of merit. However, the biggest asset to a spiral wrapped rod, IMO, is the fact that the rod won't experience any twist/torque which could cause the rod to shatter should you tie into a big one; and I sure don't want to damage any of my custom rods, they aren't cheap but IMO they are worth it. (Besides Russ might kill me!!
Should be getting my custom made spinnerbait rod that Russ is making for me very soon...it's another spiral wrap.
I thought I would be on Easy Street by now but somehow I missed the off ramp!
Wont kill ya Larry................just means more $$ for me.......
Jimmy........you need to start building using the bumper spiral..............that pretty much eliminates the tangling issues you mentioned....................
I do like Larry's opinion of the "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"!!!!
Jimmy........tell the truth now!! How many of your own rods are spiral wrapped???
I can tell you all this.............every one of my casting rods(except one) are built this way because I personally see no reason not to do it this way. The only reason the one isnt is because it was a rod for a customer who after I was finished decided he couldnt afford the rod and I havent gotten around to rewrapping it..........
all my casting rods are built spiral wrapped too and a few of my customers' as well. I really like the way they look and i like the attention they get...people ask questions, which in turn could bring more business
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well, i am not worried about business, i build for a hobby :)
i agree that the bumper style spiral wrap does help elminate some of the tangle issues. However even with the rod laying flat on the deck, you still have guides pointing 180 degrees apart and you still have one guide perpendicular to the deck that can easily be stepped on. (hence the reason a lot of guys are building with a recoil bumper)
as for the "line rubbing the blank" arguement. With all the rods i build with the traditional or "guides on top method", i always make sure my guide spacing minimizes line contact on the blank... if i cannot keep the line off the blank with the guides on top when the rod is bent normally, then i will get forced to build a spiral wrap. However, this only happens on the fastest actions (which there are very few blanks that bend this way)
Finally, my personal view on the whole spiral wrapped craze was that it was restarted by a custom builder that "reinvented" it. He was able to offer the market something "new" (which it really wasnt because the spiral wraps were done a LONG time ago) and he was able to elminate a guide or two from his built rods (and didnt charge less because of it) so that equalled more money in his pocket... In marketing terms, it was a "win-win"
as for my personal rods, i only have 2 or 3 rods that are still spiral wrapped and that is only because i am too lazy to redo them with the guides on top!
the guy that reinvented it didnt get rich by excluding two guides per rod though...he might have made an extra 30.00 tops on the rods...you see what i mean...everyone has their own favorites about how rods are built...everyone has an opinion as well...I see where your coming from though...its all personal preference really
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jimmy7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, i am not worried about business, i build for a hobby :)
i agree that the bumper style spiral wrap does help elminate some of the tangle issues. However even with the rod laying flat on the deck, you still have guides pointing 180 degrees apart and you still have one guide perpendicular to the deck that can easily be stepped on. (hence the reason a lot of guys are building with a recoil bumper)
as for the "line rubbing the blank" arguement. With all the rods i build with the traditional or "guides on top method", i always make sure my guide spacing minimizes line contact on the blank... if i cannot keep the line off the blank with the guides on top when the rod is bent normally, then i will get forced to build a spiral wrap. However, this only happens on the fastest actions (which there are very few blanks that bend this way)
Finally, my personal view on the whole spiral wrapped craze was that it was restarted by a custom builder that "reinvented" it. He was able to offer the market something "new" (which it really wasnt because the spiral wraps were done a LONG time ago) and he was able to elminate a guide or two from his built rods (and didnt charge less because of it) so that equalled more money in his pocket... In marketing terms, it was a "win-win"
as for my personal rods, i only have 2 or 3 rods that are still spiral wrapped and that is only because i am too lazy to redo them with the guides on top!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Jimmy we will agree to disagree on this issue......................I just dont like seeing the tips of the rods twisting under load.........................
ALso.....I was static deflecting a 3C70MM today and I can tell ya this................If your building on top with concept guides with this blank unless you are using a minimum of 10 guides on it you wont keep the line off the blank and even with 10 guides the line will contact the blank between the tip and the first guide..........
Granted if I were to use a higher framed guide I could have eliminated it easier but thats not what the customer wanted......and the customer gets what the customer wants........
you guys dont read too well... i said that there are certian circumstances where you are almost forced to build with the spiral wrap, if you dont want the line to touch :) i completely understand that... but it doesnt mean that i have to like it! :P
i am just giving the counterpoint that spiral wraps arent the greatest thing since sliced bread... and those of us that choose to build otherwise arent "dumb" either (which i know you guys arent saying!)
i know the "inventor" hasnt gotten rich, but 1-2 guides less and eliminating cork by building a split grip and no foregrip = lots of savings in the long run! LIke i said, it is a marketing win-win, and there is nothing wrong with that
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