Gene researchers have identified the "addiction" gene, and are able to use gene therapy to get rid of it. This info is for those of you that want a baby that won't be an addict. I've read that about 10% of the population has this gene. A lot of tournament fishermen have this gene, based on my observation of several of my team partners, and the guys that I fish against. I hate when we have a tournament of champions derby on Mead. Way too many of the anglers can't stay out of the casinos.
You ask a good question, and there are answers out there if you make the effort....This discussion is like High Pressure and swim bladders in Bass.....Originally Posted by Jeff La
https://www.latimes.com/science/scie...007-story.html
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Different hormone levels as a fetus. In very beginning sex isnt determined yet. Wires get crossed sometimes.
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How long is TamponJim's Holiday? Before I reply to this thread...
To the BBC™ Members who are 'Gay' and with 125,000+ members there is probably more than 1 'boatload' , although I haven't contributed to this thread, besides this post, "sorry" Y'all had to read some of this useless drivel that has absolutely no bee's wax on a Bass site, You're more than "Welcome" to fish with or near Me and my dogs. Have a better day.
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For those looking for a "gateway" drug, the data are clear on that issue. Far more hardcore drug users started with alcohol than with any other substance, including marijuana.
Also, to those who argue that defining addiction as a disease removes an responsibility from the addict...you need to familiarize yourself with AA and their 12 step program, as well as other programs that use the AA model. Their assertion is that while someone may not have been responsible for contracting the disease of alcoholism, they and they alone are responsible to recover from alcoholism using the AA 12 steps.
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The wife and I watched "Beautiful Boy" recently and I recommend it, esp. if you have no tolerance for addicts. Parents might even want to watch it with their teens. It's a good reminder that opioids don't discriminate and they don't affect only a certain class of people. Plenty of middle-class white families have been torn apart. Call it a weakness, bad decision, disease, whatever......it happens.
A friend of mine from MA got divorced and the kids went with the mom. His son rebelled. Ended up hooked on H. They got him clean and he moved in with Dad. Everything seemed to be going well--he had a job, father/son relationship was mending, and was working towards his GED. Then my friend came home from work one day and found his son dead from an OD.
I asked that we "pretend" it's 6 out of 10. I don't have any particular study or stat in mind. The most recent article I read on the subject detailed a very comprehensive approach that seems near impossible to duplicate in large urban areas like NY or LA. Wish I knew the answer
Lots of different opinions here. Some seem way out there but most are very interesting view points. The doctor prescribed addict is a good question. The question then becomes is this person an addict or is there just a chemical dependency in the body? To me those are 2 very different things. Much like a long time alcoholic may want to quit cold Turkey but their body is so chemically dependent on the alcohol that they cant. Two different types of addiction I guess you could say. But there will always be that moment that a person has to answer that voice in their head and everybody has it. "Man I've been drinking a lot lately", or "should I really get those meds" there's always that moment at some point. That's the choice right then.
Now, this is where I will get some bashing. Why is this problem getting worse in our society? It's a simple answer. People are ALWAYS searching for that "thing", that thing that satisfies them inside. Dope, pills, alcohol, crazy sexual perversions, all that gives a small moment of that but NEVER will it fulfill that need totally. Theres only one thing that can fill that spot, God. Other things come close, family, marriage partners, etc but God is where it's at. That doesnt mean you are impervious to anything once you accept God, we're all broken and sinners that make poor decisions. So you guys that love to hate on it bash away, maybe that's your inner thing. I will still pray you are touched by Him one day and open your heart.
I agree it’s definitely a choice that turns into a an addiction that can’t be stopped in some cases unfortunately. I would also say the multitude of diseases caused by sugar, smoking and improper diet are also a choice in most instances. I mean you probably see type two diabetes or heart disease or lung cancer or COPD in some rare cases where people lived clean lives but had bad luck but not very often. So that takes us back to “is addiction a disease?” I say no but what about the other ones I listed, diseases or not if they were caused by life choices.
There are advocacy groups screaming from the roof tops. They're the ones telling us how the manufacturer of Oxycontin (Purdue Pharma) downplayed the abuse and addiction potential of oxycontin to create a flattering and "safe" view of opioids back in the 90's. Pharmaceutical lobbyists even conned the accreditation organization, Joint Commision, into requiring hospitals to address pain control in hospitalized patients. And as part of that campaign, they showed their bias in a book paid for by Purdue Pharma and distributed by Joint Commision to doctors saying "there is no evidence that addiction is a significant issue when persons are given opioids for pain control." It also called doctors' concerns about addiction side effects "inaccurate and exaggerated."
As for cited percentage of people that became addicted under a doctor's supervision, I don't know of any. But we do have tons of examples of disproportionate prescription rates - like the 4.3 million pills of Oxy sent to a single pharmacy in Oceana, WV (a town of ~1400) from 2008-2017; the 5,600 pills per day for every resident of Kermit, WV (a town of ~400) in 2008; two pharmacies in Williamson, WV town of ~3,000) were provided with 20.8 million Oxy pills from 2008-2015; the 884 deaths from drug overdose in WV in 2016.
Obviously, not all of those people in each of those locations were abusing the drugs. Not all of them were even taking the drugs. It is, however, indicative of the kind of doctors out there who feverishly write questionable prescriptions. The kinds of doctors out there writing these ridiculous prescriptions are every bit as complicit in addicting non-patients as the "patients" who presented to their offices for scripts of massive quantities of pills. And there are groups out there trying to educate the public, but it often falls on deaf ears because the people hearing or reading the info make false assumptions about "patient responsibility" and "but most of the people abusing Oxycontin didn't get the pills from their doctor". But this completely overlooks the fact that MOST of those pills being abused didn't come from grannies cabinet, but from doctors writing prescriptions to people that are basically paying the doc to look the other way, and dispensed through pharmacies that cared more about their personal and organizational wealth than the safety and health of their patients.
Some of the docs will serve decades in jail (as they should, imo), while the distributors that provided all those millions of pills to pharmacies in rural WV paid a collective sum of $6 million in settlement of the lawsuits. I personally know one of the docs that was charged in the deaths of two patients due to overprescribing. I know for a fact he was run out of the hospital where we used to work because of his questionable prescribing practices and because his wife (not a physician) was forging prescriptions. After our hospital ran him off (and he was not prosecuted), he opened a pain clinic. Dr Sanjay Mehta should go be in jail for life, imo.
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Sure alcohol is a gateway drug... My parents only drank on special occasions. Now when we got together with aunt's, uncle's and cousin's they all pretty much drank. So for ME, drinking was socially acceptable... Now marijuana on the other hand was something I found out about around freshman year in high school, always hidden, smoked under the cover of darkness. Knowing my limits and what was socially acceptable I stayed with beer (never really got the hard stuff bug) and stayed a way from the illicit drugs... That goes for the steroid craze also, I had teammates who blew-up, gained 30lbs of muscle in 6-8 months. It would've been easy for me to go along, but I knew there was life after football and choose to stay a way from those also... Like I told my kids, life is about choices, make the right ones and you'll go far, the wrong ones and we'll see you in the next world... Maybe... Now stay outa trouble... Dan
So they're like the Green New Deal folks... The sky is falling and the earth is gonna spontaneously combust if we don't do something in 10 years... If they can't give cold data then the fact don't support the accusations... Dan
So because for you it was "a habit...it's learned...its peer pressure, it's a chase and escape" that means everyone else it is for the exact same reason. No one may be different than you?
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Well I hate I started a thread that got tampajim banned. I was actually starting to enjoy reading some things he had to say even though he has a different opinion on a lot of things.
My gym has a class for recovering addicts during time when I workout. I have sat down with them and discussed this issue. 9 out of 10 say they would have never tried drugs if they didnt run around with the wrong crowd. The others were prescribed narcotics from a doctor.
Did you have to make the decision one way or the other? Ever try to connect two male ends of a garden hose together? It dosen't work and wasn't designed to that's why the faucet has a female coupler and the garden hose has a male coupler by design.
Hopefully He will be back. Although I rarely agree with him I believe that his response/? was out of character for him. Must be having a bad day.
Hmmm, not gonna touch that one!
Whether you are predisposed to addiction or not should not matter. You continue enforcing it. If someone has a family history and genetic predisposition to alcoholism still gets a DUI the same as the guy who almost never drinks but had 1 too many glasses of champagne on New Years Eve.
It's logical then, that there could be TREATMENT that is similar to treating a disease, but that isn't saying it is one, only that for some people, the proper tactic to break someone of their habits might take a route more similar to treating an infection than educating an abuser.
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There are no absolutes in this and a host of other issues. Portraying all addicts as victims is every bit as bad as those who say it's all the users fault. These extremes do a disservice to those with legitimate reasons/ circumstances, and let's face it - curing an addiction is the preferred end result. The Old adage about leading a horse to water but you can't make him drink is oh so true here. The only addict who can change is the one who sincerely wants help - otherwise we are merely enabling them with Narcan shots and other means.
Endlessly portraying people as victims does nothing- personal responsibility needs to be back in vogue. One simply cannot heal if they always blame others for things. They have to own it, admit their faults and then healing can start.
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