Matt Herren DQ’ed

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02-25-2025, 09:47 AM
west_tn

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Originally Posted by rb

Why??????
A private phone call between two people. Not something over heard in public or read on internet. A private phone conversation.
The location of where a recent tournament was won on the body of water that one of the participants was going to fish during an official practice day.
And by two people who know the rules
Know tell me why this should have not been a DQ

Because he didn't ask for the info and didn't use it at all. As his son said he went an hour in the opposite direction. Now if he had went and fished there, sure DQ him.
02-25-2025, 09:48 AM
fishnfireman

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Originally Posted by Josh Herren

I said it was a stupid mistake on my part not thinking. He did nothing with the comment and never even went that direction in practice or competition. The rule is requesting information to gain a competitive advantage. He didn’t request it an gained nothing by it. He spent his tournament an hour the opposite direction.

Can easily see how this could happen. Unfortunate slip.
02-25-2025, 09:50 AM
Bass in the grass

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Originally Posted by Josh Herren

I just fish tournaments and have probably spent two days on the St. John’s combined.

:thumb up2: Ok, then I think it was overblown.
02-25-2025, 09:53 AM
tx_basser

Nothing is just coincidence.. I suspect BASS knew something was up and did a poly.
02-25-2025, 09:57 AM
rb

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Originally Posted by west_tn

Because he didn't ask for the info and didn't use it at all. As his son said he went an hour in the opposite direction. Now if he had went and fished there, sure DQ him.

Still he got info that was gained, regardless if he used it or not, that was a one on one conversation. Again on an official practice day too.
02-25-2025, 10:00 AM
Rebel1

Does anyone actually believe that all of these guys that room together aren't sharing info? :roll:
02-25-2025, 10:04 AM
FiveBitesFishing

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Originally Posted by Rebel1

Does anyone actually believe that all of these guys that room together aren't sharing info? :roll:

Pretty sure competitors are allowed to share info with each other
02-25-2025, 10:04 AM
skeeterator

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Originally Posted by tx_basser

Nothing is just coincidence.. I suspect BASS knew something was up and did a poly.

How could they know about a conversation between a father and son?
02-25-2025, 10:05 AM
Smally22

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Originally Posted by rb

Why??????
A private phone call between two people. Not something over heard in public or read on internet. A private phone conversation.
The location of where a recent tournament was won on the body of water that one of the participants was going to fish during an official practice day.
And by two people who know the rules
Know tell me why this should have not been a DQ

Bingo!

This is supposed to be the big leagues & part of participation is following the rules. There should have been red sirens alarming as soon as the lake name was mentioned... It's really not that complicated
02-25-2025, 10:07 AM
Rider99XX

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Originally Posted by skeeterator

How could they know about a conversation between a father and son?

The polygraph examiner flagged one of Matts answers and BASS deemed it as soliciting info if I read it right.
02-25-2025, 10:08 AM
Hoot

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Originally Posted by Josh Herren

I just fish tournaments and have probably spent two days on the St. John’s combined.

Thanks for taking the time to share what happened as the polygraph is a machine but can’t tell the story behind its results.

Don’t hear you or your Dad complaining about B.A.S.S.’s decision on the DQ and accepting it while moving on.:thumb up2:

Wish you both the best in all your future fishing endeavors.
02-25-2025, 10:08 AM
badboyjigs

I’m a Matt Herren fan , he’s old school good fisherman , but that info was straight up juice ! DQ was spot on , they both knew better !
02-25-2025, 10:09 AM
skeeterator

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Originally Posted by Rider99XX

The polygraph examiner flagged one of Matts answers and BASS deemed it as soliciting info if I read it right.

I know that part. The claim was made that BASS must have known about the conversation thus the reason for Matt getting the poly.
02-25-2025, 10:10 AM
Rider99XX

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Originally Posted by skeeterator

I know that part. The claim was made that BASS must have known about the conversation thus the reason for Matt getting the poly.

That's a possibility I guess.
02-25-2025, 10:11 AM
janky

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Originally Posted by rb

Still he got info that was gained, regardless if he used it or not, that was a one on one conversation. Again on an official practice day too.

How is this different than guy telling you that millionaire point is holding some good fish while you are pumping gas?
02-25-2025, 10:14 AM
rb

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Originally Posted by badboyjigs

I’m a Matt Herren fan , he’s old school good fisherman , but that info was straight up juice ! DQ was spot on , they both knew better !

Same. Got just as much respect, if not more, for Matt same for Josh. Hate that it happened and no one thinks there was any intention to it at all.
02-25-2025, 10:17 AM
rb

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Originally Posted by janky

How is this different than guy telling you that millionaire point is holding some good fish while you are pumping gas?

And when the guy starts to say something you stop them and one more time it was a private conversation between two people on a phone
02-25-2025, 10:19 AM
Aj14

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Originally Posted by AKRISONER

The biggest cry baby in the elites gets caught cheating? Can’t make this stuff up

My guess if he figures the FFS guys are cheating, he can too.
02-25-2025, 10:26 AM
Booster

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Originally Posted by rb

Why??????
A private phone call between two people. ...
The location of where a recent tournament was won on the body of water that one of the participants was going to fish during an official practice day.
...

Past tournament results are public info.
02-25-2025, 10:31 AM
rb

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Originally Posted by Booster

Past tournament results are public info.

That phone call was not public
02-25-2025, 10:34 AM
Booster

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Originally Posted by rb

That phone call was not public

So if he shouted out over a megaphone outside it would be legal?

You guys are just making the point greater that it's an outdated stupid unenforceable rule. You still have to catch the fish.
02-25-2025, 10:38 AM
Bill2e

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Originally Posted by 188Musky

Then, better networking is a skill that is going to have to be developed, just like any other fishing skill. .

On top of that, “networks” get it wrong just as often as they get it right.

Agreed…..I have no issue with it.

Just like a club Tx bitching about the guy that makes the time to practice
02-25-2025, 10:39 AM
Bill2e

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Originally Posted by JBIGUNS

Why? He should have self reported before the tournament. Even if he didn’t go to said location.

Yes - he should have self reported like I said.
02-25-2025, 10:41 AM
ProVle

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Originally Posted by Booster

So if he shouted out over a megaphone outside it would be legal?

You guys are just making the point greater that it's an outdated stupid unenforceable rule. You still have to catch the fish.

My thought's about it also.
02-25-2025, 10:42 AM
Jigzz4344

We almost got through a tournament with no drama. 1 DQ and 4 no wake zone infractions. About on average these days.
02-25-2025, 10:47 AM
Rider99XX

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Originally Posted by Jigzz4344

We almost got through a tournament with no drama. 1 DQ and 4 no wake zone infractions. About on average these days.

There should be a spreadsheet for this :wink:
02-25-2025, 10:50 AM
unknown angler

Pro tournament fishing these days :roll::roll:
02-25-2025, 10:51 AM
Rider99XX

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Originally Posted by unknown angler

Pro tournament fishing these days :roll::roll:

Club tournaments are worse.
02-25-2025, 10:53 AM
Jigzz4344

It sounds like Matt was not soliciting the information and it was just a mistake but a failed polygraph requires some action.
Doesn't Matt and Bill L room together?
02-25-2025, 10:53 AM
Loll1121

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Originally Posted by rb

And when the guy starts to say something you stop them and one more time it was a private conversation between two people on a phone

Yup, made a comment a couple pages back. Milliken did the same thing on his practice video. Guy in his backyard started to talk about a “hole” and he stopped him immediately.
02-25-2025, 11:03 AM
Hoot

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Originally Posted by tx_basser

Nothing is just coincidence.. I suspect BASS knew something was up and did a poly.

:roll::roll:Never had a single coincidence in your whole life?

Wasn’t it reported previously that there would be five random competitors polygraphed at each event so there is always the chance you could be one of the five.
02-25-2025, 11:22 AM
Jeff Hahn

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Originally Posted by 188Musky

The problem is that they’re never equals when they get there.

The qualifying process rewards inequality, and if fact, creates inequality, and fishing contests are inherently contests of inequality to begin with.

Yes, and everyone is good with that inequality...as long as it's an inequality of fishing skill and knowledge, rather than other outside factors.
02-25-2025, 11:42 AM
Bass in the grass

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Originally Posted by Hoot

Wasn’t it reported previously that there would be five random competitors polygraphed at each event so there is always the chance you could be one of the five.

This is a long shot, but possible. Matt might have said to another competitor, “my son said a tournament a few weeks back was won at blah blah”. We all know that several of the anglers will report you instantly, due to clauses.
02-25-2025, 11:55 AM
shooter66

I would believe after last year they are doing 5 randoms to kill the issue. Not hard to believe at all.
02-25-2025, 11:56 AM
WarEagle24

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Originally Posted by Rebel1

Does anyone actually believe that all of these guys that room together aren't sharing info? :roll:

That's not illegal so.........
02-25-2025, 12:03 PM
kry29

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Originally Posted by WarEagle24

That's not illegal so.........

Well.... Very hypothetical here but also very possible these days. 2 guys rooming, one guy gets info, which is against the rules, and shares it with his roommate which is now legal info. They split all winnings.
Now, i do not think that is the case here at all. Bill and Matt are stand up guys but with the way things are handled these days it would pay off to do it.
02-25-2025, 12:07 PM
BassinPaPaw

The no info rule is just stupid and causes this type of stuff to happen. Matt got screwed here. Management at BASS is a train wreck right now.
02-25-2025, 12:19 PM
Chris225

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Originally Posted by badboyjigs

I’m a Matt Herren fan , he’s old school good fisherman , but that info was straight up juice ! DQ was spot on , they both knew better !

I agree completely. That’s about as good of info as you can get.
02-25-2025, 12:24 PM
Chris225

Is that the creek Bill Lowen won in?
02-25-2025, 12:31 PM
Thamelau

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Originally Posted by Booster

This why BASS needs to get rid of this so called "NO Info Rule". It is a stupid out of date rule. This was set in the days of guys hiring guides to learn the lakes they were to fish. It no longer belongs with the modern technology of satelitte imagery and on-line mapping/navigation maps.

The no info rule doesn't have anything to do with publicly available information though.

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