B A S S the FFS tour

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Originally Posted by Championmac

I think that the young guns that are winning deserve a lot of credit, but the bigger question is "do you want to watch guys look at screens all day while you are watching them on a screen from home?" It just doesn't make for the best watching experience once you have seen it a few times. FFS is a great tool, but I don't want to watch guys do it all day. I can only watch my teenage kids, who are pro-level Fortnite players by the way, play video games for about a minute before I have to walk away. Fortnite is probably more exciting than turning on a TV and watching someone's electronics for more than a few seconds. BASS has a product to sell. They had better figure it out. Not many people want to watch young or old dudes play video games.

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There are probably more people who want to watch others play video games than watch someone fish; ever heard of Twitch? What difference does it make whether the guy is staring at a screen or out at the water when all you can see as a viewer is the back of his head anyway? We all love watching bass blow up on a frog but it's not like we'd suddenly start seeing guys fish topwater all the time if FFS was banned.

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Originally Posted by skeeterator

You, like many on here are seriously out of touch. Drew Cook just said on a podcast that he took Trey Mckinney out with him when he was 12 and wishes he hadn't shown him so much. To think these young guys don't know anything about seasonal patterns, lake contours and a thousand other things just shows you aren't paying attention. I fished with a 20 year old last night in the Tues nighter that's heading for Hartwell Sunday for a week. He's been fishing locally for years with older guys and has more experience and time on the water than you can imagine. The "kids" are putting in the work while the olds are sitting around making posts online about the sky falling.

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Most of the tournaments from around here are won by known local names... but some last year and now this year theres been a name coming out on top thats a new name.. hes won a few over the last couple months on different local lakes kerr/buggs being one, a couple last year .... looked him up on instagram, hes from chicago, think his family just moved to the area within the last 1-2 years.. They won with 34+ lbs and a 10lber in 1 tournament.. Hes fishing in college somewhere in tennessee and fishes all over the place..

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Originally Posted by VA Bass

I think the big difference is also these kids have the ability to be on the water that much. I mean I didn't get to fish with an established pro when i was 12 and be shown "too much"...I know I couldn't fish that much when I was 20, I was working and going to school. I also think that back in the day pros rarely came on scene full time until late 20 and early 30s. It just wasn't enough money in the indusrty to support it. We didn't have high school or college derbies either. Remember, you said this 20 year old has been fishing with older more experienced guys for years., so where do you think he learned to be so great? The older guys right. I don't know why people get so mad about this. I had one older guy that showed me a lot about how to fish tidal rivers and I took what he taught me and ran with it. I have since become better at it but without that I would have been struggling much longer than I did. I am glad that kids have an outlet today with all that is bad in the world, but like everything in life, you have to be appreciative of those who came before and paved the way. Back in the 80 and even 90s guys were struggling to fish the tour and only a few had their way paid by sponsorship. I don't know if today the majority of the touring pros even pay their own entries. I would say a good 50 in the elites do not. That is a big burden lifted. I remember Clunn saying he had to sell his deer rifle to fish the next tourney

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a lot of different variables for sure.. times have changed, kids dont grow up working like kids did 30-70 years ago.. how they do it i dont know, all i know is they are all about it and got it figured out with the tech available

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Originally Posted by basshammerwannabe

a lot of different variables for sure.. times have changed, kids dont grow up working like kids did 30-70 years ago.. how they do it i dont know, all i know is they are all about it and got it figured out with the tech available

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for sure

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Originally Posted by tr20josh

There are probably more people who want to watch others play video games than watch someone fish; ever heard of Twitch? What difference does it make whether the guy is staring at a screen or out at the water when all you can see as a viewer is the back of his head anyway? We all love watching bass blow up on a frog but it's not like we'd suddenly start seeing guys fish topwater all the time if FFS was banned.

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Yes, my kids watch twitch, but that sure isn't the BASS watching crowd that I was referring to.

While the Threads, topics, debates, arguments usually have FFS involved in the title and is the big word in the topic it seems theres another debate inside the debate..debating What bass fishing is and what bass fishing is Not.. a lot of guys saying they dont want to see it because its Not fishing.. They bet the kids cant even "fish", all they know is FFS and without it are nothing.. May be true but without changes we wont ever see if they can "fish" or not..

If this isnt fishing, what is it?

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Originally Posted by basshammerwannabe

i think these kids have learned more about bass behavior then we ever thought we knew, old pros included

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Completely agree.:thumb up2:

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Originally Posted by basshammerwannabe

While the Threads, topics, debates, arguments usually have FFS involved in the title and is the big word in the topic it seems theres another debate inside the debate..debating What bass fishing is and what bass fishing is Not.. a lot of guys saying they dont want to see it because its Not fishing.. They bet the kids cant even "fish", all they know is FFS and without it are nothing.. May be true but without changes we wont ever see if they can "fish" or not..

If this isnt fishing, what is it?

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It’s scoping. Castledine says it’s not fishing and that’s what he calls it. He is a professional bass fisherman after all.

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

It’s scoping. Castledine says it’s not fishing and that’s what he calls it. He is a professional bass fisherman after all.

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idk there was a debate about whats pro and whats not a pro.. does he meet the BBC pro criteria? I consider him one. Was hoping he would of fished the NPFL this year but obviously he doesnt need to or would of done it if he wanted to

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

It’s scoping. Castledine says it’s not fishing and that’s what he calls it. He is a professional bass fisherman after all.

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The last Youtube with him and Ish was pretty good

Todd makes more money fishing Texas alone than most on any pro tour . In fact he’s never had a year where he didn’t make enough to live off of. Some you old heads like me remember Harold Allen . BASS pro long ago. He told me back 1995 he could make a living fishing his home state of Texas than on the tour. But he enjoyed going to different lakes all over the country

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Originally Posted by tajchauvin

Giving that the top 20 percent in talent left a few years back it was only a matter of time before they were replaced. FSS or no FFS get use to seeing these young guns or stop watching.

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I think I will watch Young Guns 1 and 2 tonight . No one under 30 should be allowed to fish B.A.S.S. . That will fix it .

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Originally Posted by inspired fisherman

I think I will watch Young Guns 1 and 2 tonight . No one under 30 should be allowed to fish B.A.S.S. . That will fix it .

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My two favorite movies

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Originally Posted by Aj14

Good one. That's funny and at first we thought you were serious!
At that age how would they have that amount of money for a $100,000 bass boat and be able to have a full time job and pay rent, insurance and all things needed in life?
I'm sure they are familiar with the seasonal patterns and don't just put the trolling motor down and scan around.
Again, almost thought you were serious.
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This is a dumb ass response. We all know their parents pay for that stuff and they fish every day. Scope has taught everyone more about fish behavior in the last few years than was known in the previous 50. It’s proven a bunch of theories wrong.

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Originally Posted by logjam

Sad thing are most of these kids are the same ones that got participation trophies for just showing up in sports .

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This doesn’t even make sense. These kids are winning. They don’t need participation trophies. And who were the ones giving g out the trophies? Your generation. Because you couldn’t stand for your kids to not get trophies.

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Originally Posted by logjam

If anyone tries to deny this now then they themselves are in denial . This sport was once based on instinct and time on the water is now based on something completely different . 8 out top 10 are 25 years or younger.

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Cars started by cranks and phones had to be dialed with a circular dial. I think these young kids are putting 2-3X more time on the water learning every advantage they can, including FFS. Others not so much. If the goal is to WIN and make MONEY , I'd be doing it too. My investments and net worth would not care.

A lot of young anglers in that top 25 at Sabine still fishing today are showing they aren’t just scopers. So even if they limited scoping or got rid off it, they would still be up near the top.

Banning FFS during tournaments at places like the Sabine doesn't count, ban it during tournaments at Fork, Rayburn and Toledo and see if things even out.