It really makes you wonder about the transducer that came with the older unit. It looks like a gt40.
which ducers for the 93 have a dedicated down crystal?
So Navico is saying that Garmins' new clearview transducer uses the side scan to show the down image? Isn't that what HB used to do? If so I guess that is because of the lawsuit?
But the GT52, GT50 etc have dedicated down imaging crystals?
Garmin is the underdog taking bigger and bigger bites out of the freshwater market, sounds like there's a bit of desperation in that video.
I want to see a comparison made by a guy who is not wearing a Lowrance shirt.
This is going to be good
Yeah, Id like to see an independent test as well. No telling what settings they were using on the Garmin. They could easily have the Gain turned down or something else off. I did see that the Lowrance was in advanced mode, so they had it dialed in all the way for sure.
Still, if thats true about the Garmin having no down element, that explains why the Lowrance would look sharper. Of course, most people already know Lowrance down and side imaging is better than Garmins, but this is going to sting.
Guess Im going to have to quit telling people there is no big difference between the GT52 ans CV52, etc.
Smokercraft Phantom 202 Yamaha F115/Merc 9.9
Garmin 7610xsv/GT51M-TM/Panoptix PS21/LiveScope
Why am I hanging out here when I could be fishing.....
And I could post a video showing a Geo Metro is faster than a Ferrari F458 by disabling 6 of the 8 cylinders in the Ferrari and not tell you.
The devil is in the details, notably the settings each unit is using for imaging. Which transducer is the Garmin using? Where is it positioned in relation to the Lowrance transducer?
Shady video is shady.
None of this answers the question of " does it have dedicated down crystals"
Why don't you get your best Down & Side images from the Garmin sets you have and post them? You just don't see many on the Garmin forum. I don't care much for images posted by the Company Pro's.
I'm sure MonteSS don't have a problem doing this.
I tried my best to get good images from the 20,40,50 & 52 but could not get nearly the Down & Side that I get with Lowrance or HB
I really like the Garmin units, but I don't think the Down & Side are quite there yet.
Gonna see how this plays out, but, how could Garmin miss the culvert?
Do not take your half in the middle ....
the new clearvu transducers do not have a di element. the gt transducers do. the second version of the gt transducers had the di element rotated 20 degrees to get around the patent. seems that didn't work so they removed it instead of paying lowrance to use it. I have a couple original gt52 transducers as well as a gt50 if anyone is interested
Troy will the original GT 52 work with a 1040xs in the trolling motor?
So which piezo(s) is used for capturing data for the ClearVu displayed image using the new ClearVu xducer ...??Originally Posted by TroyBoy30
Rickie
they use side imaging to get the down picture. just like humminbird did for the last 6 or so years
Thanks for the clarification ...
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Are there specific units (or software versions) that would need to be used if connecting one of the older DI xducers to get the unit to correctly process the dedicated DI data into the DI image displayed ...??
Rickie
That's a hard question to answer. I have and use the original GT50,GT51, & GT52 that all have the down element. With a recent software upgrade all the DownVu terminology changed to ClearVu. I really couldn't tell the difference, but then I don't use DownVu and SideVu like most people. So I don't know whether the new software ignores the down element. My guess would be probably. If using DownVu through a down element is what violates the patent, then calling it ClearVu wouldn't be a solution.
Rolling back the software to an earlier version is not something I'd consider. It can be done, but I was told if it didn't work correctly there was a good chance the unit would be bricked and have to be sent in to Garmin.
I'm not in the know about all this patent licensing stuff. Garmin, Lowrance and Raymarine have all licensed side imaging technology from Humminbird. But it looks to me like Humminbird did not do a full license of 100% of it's side imaging technology; maybe 80-90%. Now Lowrance says that most everybody has licensed DownScan except Garmin. But I do question if that license is for 100% of its DownScan technology. How much money would it take for Garmin to give Humminbird or Lowrance a license for 100% of its Panoptix technology???? They might license it to someone, but I bet they would hold back something so theirs would still be better than the competitors. I don't know. Just thinking out loud. Looks like one big mess to me.
My wife asks if I'm going to fish every day. I can't fish every day. Some days I might be sick.
A bunch of folks asked questions - just on this forum - about what was the difference between the GT52/CV52. They were told that the only difference was a minor change in beam width between the CV52 and the GT52. There was not even a hint that the down element had been removed and that they were going back to older/outdated technology.
In light of this information, they were flat out lied to.
I would be really pissed if it was me.
Smokercraft Phantom 202 Yamaha F115/Merc 9.9
Garmin 7610xsv/GT51M-TM/Panoptix PS21/LiveScope
Why am I hanging out here when I could be fishing.....
Thats a very good question. The down and side images from my 7610/GT51 have never been on a par with my 3 year old Humminbird - even when I first got it in Jan 2016. Makes me wonder if the software is limiting its performance by not taking advantage of the DI element.
On the other hand, the Sidevu isnt up to par by itself, so I suspect its at least partly a matter of Garmin needing to play a lot of catch up in that area.
Smokercraft Phantom 202 Yamaha F115/Merc 9.9
Garmin 7610xsv/GT51M-TM/Panoptix PS21/LiveScope
Why am I hanging out here when I could be fishing.....
I just asked Todd this question on another thread where this came up. He confirmed there are no down elements in the CV transducers.
http://www.bbcboards.net/showthread....48#post8257948Todd - the question has been asked if the current software will take advantage of the dedicated down elements in the GT series or do the use the same processing thats done with the CV transducers?
In other words, is the GT transducers performance being crippled or degraded by the CV software?
Smokercraft Phantom 202 Yamaha F115/Merc 9.9
Garmin 7610xsv/GT51M-TM/Panoptix PS21/LiveScope
Why am I hanging out here when I could be fishing.....
Funny how I was always put down for sayin that Garmin Di and Si sucked. Now everybody says it. I dont rely on those two screens that much and Garmin 2d is top notch as well as the Panoptix.
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