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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Perry View Post
    I think it matters in the context that it keeps getting brought up. He is not an employee. He is a customer.
    Not sure that's right considering he gets a 1099 from them. Either way I get your point, but the bottom line is he didn't have to sign on the dotted line and that league is what led to his revenue stream. His choice to sign, and his choice to do silly things to get kicked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawgsalot View Post
    Not sure that's right considering he gets a 1099 from them. Either way I get your point, but the bottom line is he didn't have to sign on the dotted line and that league is what led to his revenue stream. His choice to sign, and his choice to do silly things to get kicked out.


    I get 1099s from the trails I fish. I pay an entry fee. I am a customer.



    I'm not saying anyone should agree with Watson. I'm just saying he has paid enough dues to have his opinion is all. I just see some people saying he should be quiet etc and I disagree with that. He has skin in the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Perry View Post
    I get 1099s from the trails I fish. I pay an entry fee. I am a customer.



    I'm not saying anyone should agree with Watson. I'm just saying he has paid enough dyes to have his opinion is all. I just see some people saying he should be quiet etc abd I disagree with that. He has skin in the game.
    I agree. It’s not a traditional job where he is just compensated for his effort for his time. He has to not only put in his time (which may not yield results) but he has to actually pay a fee to even get the “chance” to do well. More customer than employee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Perry View Post
    I get 1099s from the trails I fish. I pay an entry fee. I am a customer.



    I'm not saying anyone should agree with Watson. I'm just saying he has paid enough dyes to have his opinion is all. I just see some people saying he should be quiet etc abd I disagree with that. He has skin in the game.
    Funny, that companies pay big money to try to track their customer's opinions and interactions with the company.

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    So far it doesn't appear that any sponsors dropped him over it.

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    So I'm speed reading here but was this again a lot of talk but no real details ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axkiker View Post
    So I'm speed reading here but was this again a lot of talk but no real details ?
    Shockingly yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by west_tn View Post
    Do you really think Watson did all this without knowing full well what the outcome would be? If he wasn't ok with being suspended then he wouldn't have done it.
    It seemed to me that he wasn't ok with it. Unless I misunderstood he said he tried to talk to Duckett about it and even tried talking to Ducketts wife but they wanted no part of Watson. Afterwards he went on his little rant saying so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawgsalot View Post
    Not sure that's right considering he gets a 1099 from them. Either way I get your point, but the bottom line is he didn't have to sign on the dotted line and that league is what led to his revenue stream. His choice to sign, and his choice to do silly things to get kicked out.
    Got a 1099 from playing blackjack at a casino. Does it make me an employee

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    Originally Posted by hawgsalot
    Which matters none, just like being a member of a country club, you can get kicked with no refund.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Perry View Post
    I think it matters in the context that it keeps getting brought up. He is not an employee. He is a customer.
    A Member of a Country Club is a Customer who pays dues to belong to belong to the Club and agrees to abide by their rules or have or have their Membership Revoked.

    Sure think hawgsalot has presented an excellent analogy in the correct context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoot View Post
    Originally Posted by hawgsalot
    Which matters none, just like being a member of a country club, you can get kicked with no refund.



    A Member of a Country Club is a Customer who pays dues to belong to belong to the Club and agrees to abide by their rules or have or have their Membership Revoked.

    Sure think hawgsalot has presented an excellent analogy in the correct context.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoot View Post
    Originally Posted by hawgsalot
    Which matters none, just like being a member of a country club, you can get kicked with no refund.



    A Member of a Country Club is a Customer who pays dues to belong to belong to the Club and agrees to abide by their rules or have or have their Membership Revoked.

    Sure think hawgsalot has presented an excellent analogy in the correct context.
    True but a member of a country club isn’t trying to make a living with their dues paid to join the club. Hence why speaking out isn’t much of a problem. They lose no form of income, they simply lose a piece of entertainment and disposable income

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    Boyd truly thought he was going to make bASS disappear. Therefore taking the majority of the sponsorship money. Once bass survived he Is scrambling for new ways to stay relevant, therefore changing the platform and rules. Which is very confusing to follow and is not working. Classic vs. Redcrest is no comparison. The classic will always be the biggest event.

    He has the wrong mindset. He wants bpt to be a mainstream televised sport. He is never going to attract the normal football watching sports fans. Let's be honest here the only people watching are fisherman. So instead of cutting the field he needs to do the opposite. Create more opportunities for the average fisherman therefore growing the number of fisherman. If u grow the amount of fisherman you grow the amount of viewership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger115hp View Post
    Boyd truly thought he was going to make bASS disappear. Therefore taking the majority of the sponsorship money. Once bass survived he Is scrambling for new ways to stay relevant, therefore changing the platform and rules. Which is very confusing to follow and is not working. Classic vs. Redcrest is no comparison. The classic will always be the biggest event.

    He has the wrong mindset. He wants bpt to be a mainstream televised sport. He is never going to attract the normal football watching sports fans. Let's be honest here the only people watching are fisherman. So instead of cutting the field he needs to do the opposite. Create more opportunities for the average fisherman therefore growing the number of fisherman. If u grow the amount of fisherman you grow the amount of viewership.
    If you noticed, recently he has pivoted away from TV and claiming digital streaming is the future. Of course he makes that claim as MLF can no longer afford to buy air time in CBS and Discovery. The main problem with MLF today is sponsors, fans, and anglers don't trust Duckett.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smbass77 View Post
    If you noticed, recently he has pivoted away from TV and claiming digital streaming is the future. Of course he makes that claim as MLF can no longer afford to buy air time in CBS and Discovery. The main problem with MLF today is sponsors, fans, and anglers don't trust Duckett.
    This is true.
    Go back to the beginning of all of this. Several of the original mlf "ownership" group, including himself and klein, were going to get cut from BASS due to bad performance. To try and combat this duckett tries to buy BASS and is turned down. Now it becomes a hostile takeover attempt. He starts bpt, lies to the fishermen about all the wealth they will have and trash talks all fishermen who use livewells. All an attempt to weaken BASS so bad that he can then buy them when they are sunk. And now here we are. The Classic is breaking records. The events are being shown on Live TV, even the last day of the Opens. Some of the anglers have left, retired and others are just going through the motions not knowing what's coming next. I'm not sure where it will end, but duckett isn't going to BASS out of business. I hope the TAA takes off. Not just because it's no ffs, even though I like that part, it's just a "we're going to fish here at this time, no practice just show up and fish" just like we all started doing.
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    I think they sign a contract that has all the things you can do and not do. I may be wrong but that is my understanding.

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    He might might more money selling hats than he did fishing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spot-a-saurus View Post
    True but a member of a country club isn’t trying to make a living with their dues paid to join the club. Hence why speaking out isn’t much of a problem. They lose no form of income, they simply lose a piece of entertainment and disposable income
    That’s exactly why that wasn’t a wise move on Watson’s part. Maybe he should have considered that fact before he started those tirades and hawking those stupid hats.

    He doesn’t not need Pro Fishing to “Feed His Family” but seriously needs it to “Feed His Ego”

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul40269 View Post
    He might might more money selling hats than he did fishing.

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    I just finished the podcast. Nothing really groundbreaking, but some pretty good stories about MLF's arrogance. I especially got a laugh out of MLF buying FLW and immediately trying to strongarm their existing sponsors into paying more, and costa / ranger boats / TH marine just saying nah

    I still say the sport would be in a worse position if Watson was in Boyd's place. Most of Watsons complaints are based on making MLF more of a good ole boys club, and being the good ole boys club is already a valid criticism of that league. Next to zero cuts and no lower levels participating in championships would be a horrible business decision.
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