Hard to imagine not even listening to someone who has been apart of the sport for so long because you already have an opinion. Crazy thought maybe we set back and collected informed opinions and watch how the facts play out before deciding. We to often treat our opinions as being facts and belittle those with alternate thoughts.
Originally Posted by schmidte
I agree 100%. Also, too many people think scientific studies determine "facts", when that is not what their purpose and conclusion is. To use that overstatement to describe research results demonstrates an oversized ego and narcissism that any real scientist that graduated from a real Research 1 University has been trained to never indulge in.
Did you learn that while obtaining your Clinical Psychologist degree at a real University?
I think MadYakker may have learned that from reading self-help books.
I think MadYakker have learned that from reading self-help books.It may have been posted in the comments of one of RB videos so it must be true.
I think I saw something about that in the back of a MADD Magazine one time?I think MadYakker may have learned that from reading self-help books.
I'm 71 years old and ..........imho Cmaps, that were actually mapped(aka Precision mapped) did more to advance fishing than FFS.
Techniques and information that took years and years to acquire was given to everybody in 10 minutes after spending $125.. It hurt my fishing a lot worse than FFS.
And the pros never once complained about Precision Mapping, side scan, downscan ,and HB 360.....which were all game changers.
Mapping is a huge deal, we just take it for granted now. I have a section of river I fish where the mapping is horrible and you have to idle to find structure. I would much rather take mapping on it vs FFS.
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I really like the comments that say " Its the only way some of the younger guys know how to fish. Take it away and see what they can do then". One of these younger guys has been kicking old fishermen's tails since he was 13 years old. Its just another tool in his toolbox.
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In all fairness, Hank may have tons and tons of experience in bass fishing, but on this topic his negativity towards the technology is more from the competitive perspective unless I totally misunderstood him. I'm actually hearing two distinctly different arguments that are worlds apart. One is that guys are winning who aren't skilled and seasoned veterans with instincts, and that's unfair to their competitors. The other is that FFS will destroy fisheries. Those two arguments are addressing drastically different things. The first is of no real consequence to the majority of fishermen, the second affects everybody if it turns out to be true.
That doesn't make any sense, if everyone moved off the bank then the fish on the bank would be easier to catch by using your theory. I'm not saying there's not new pressure on fish but if the pressure it moves to a different area of a lake, then place it left is less pressured. Using your theory, Nixon and Clunn smashing on the shore hurt fishing because everyone started using their techniques. If bass can adjust to pressure they can adjust to FFS, same as the bank. If they adjust then the technology isn't as point shoot and catch as some make it out to be. In fact it's not and mostly said by those who have never used it.
I just hope that those of you using FFS Chase those fish up into the shallower water where I typically fish. I'm not opposed to benefiting from the technology without paying for it!
No-they actually teach that is basic statistics and experimental design classes in the real sciences. Those who didn't learn it there learned it the hard way after having to spend another six months in graduate school when their graduate committee gives them a thumbs down in their comps and thinks it will teach them some humility.
Clinical Psychology is where they teach you what 'degree envy' looks like.
The third argument is regarding "fair chase." Is using a technology where the angler can pinpoint individual fish, perhaps determine their species, gauge their direction and speed of movement, and see in real time how they react to their lure a "sporting" way to catch bass?
"The man of system is apt to be very wise in his own conceit; and is often so enamored with the supposed beauty of his own ideal plan of government that he cannot suffer the smallest deviation from any part of it…He seems to imagine that he can arrange the different members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces upon a chessboard.” Adam Smith, The Theory of Moral Sentiments
Are trail cams high powered rifles and scopes popping game at long distances sporting ways to hunt? I’m sure for some purists using firearms to kill a deer is giving the hunter an unfair advantage as far as “ fair chase. “
My question was clearly in reference to your "To use that overstatement to describe research results demonstrates an oversized ego and narcissism" comment. So I take it this was your opinion and not the result of a clinical assessment. Question, do those real Universities that teach real sciences have a real fishing course? You know the ones that ban FFS? Asking for a friend.
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It is like fishing with dry flies for trout.
You spot the fish, after closely examining the bugs that it is eating, select a near perfect imitation, time the fishes’ rises, delicately place your presentation in front of the fish, and let the current feed the fly into the trout’s mouth.
Knowing the prestige given to presenting flies to trout, why is doing that to bass such an issue?
I think you exaggerate. I know no hunter who would say that^^^. However, every hunter I know would say that spotlighting, using drones, or using thermal imaging violates the concept of fair chase.
"The man of system is apt to be very wise in his own conceit; and is often so enamored with the supposed beauty of his own ideal plan of government that he cannot suffer the smallest deviation from any part of it…He seems to imagine that he can arrange the different members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces upon a chessboard.” Adam Smith, The Theory of Moral Sentiments
BTW, the guy in the video in the closed thread completely failed to address the "fair chase" aspect of what Hank said when he made the analogy to golf and baseball restricting equipment.
Edit - Oops, that thread when "POOF!"
"The man of system is apt to be very wise in his own conceit; and is often so enamored with the supposed beauty of his own ideal plan of government that he cannot suffer the smallest deviation from any part of it…He seems to imagine that he can arrange the different members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces upon a chessboard.” Adam Smith, The Theory of Moral Sentiments
Blah blah blah. Stupid debate. FFS is here. Deal with it, cuz technology will continue to advance
