Alaskan Airlines has found many loose bolts of its 737 Max aircraft

[janky]

The CEO of Alaska Airlines said new, in-house inspections of the carrier's Boeing 737 Max 9 planes in the wake of a near-disaster earlier this month revealed that “many” of the aircraft were found to have loose bolts.

I’m more than frustrated and disappointed,” he said. “I am angry. This happened to Alaska Airlines. It happened to our guests and happened to our people. And — my demand on Boeing is what are they going to do to improve their quality programs in-house.”

United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby said in a separate interview with CNBC on Wednesday that it is now contemplating a future for its fleet without the Boeing 737 Max 10, a newer version of the popular jet.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...ays-rcna135316

[BillsFan]

No worries

[Arkyarcher]

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[tcesni]

Boeing has lost their way. Hope they can get their act together.

[Transom]

I would think that fasteners on an aircraft would have retention somehow. Mechanical staking, safety wire, castle nuts, locktite, etc?

[Transom]

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[Jeff Hahn]

I would think that fasteners on an aircraft would have retention somehow. Mechanical staking, safety wire, castle nuts, locktite, etc?

Historically, they did, but I'm not certain how that works now.

[Hunt1down]

I thought it was only the blind leading the blind in the construction industry. Looks like the blind build airplanes to. Pretty scary

[billnorman1]

I have a calibrated "break-away" elbow. When I was in aviation maintenance unless there was a torque specification specifically called out on installation instructions, many fasteners seemed loose to me.
Vibration, metal flexing, heat and cold can cause migration under fasteners over time too. Most if not all fasteners have a feature that precludes their loss even after the initial torque value is installed.

[gonnabe]

If only we gave the same attention to detail on the things we are paid to do as our cell phones while on the job.

[vaw121]

These bolts have cotter pins, or where supposed to from the factory.

[RoadrashPaul]

Looks like the cotter pins were possibly not installed.

[xcoach]

I have a calibrated "break-away" elbow. When I was in aviation maintenance unless there was a torque specification specifically called out on installation instructions, many fasteners seemed loose to me.
Vibration, metal flexing, heat and cold can cause migration under fasteners over time too. Most if not all fasteners have a feature that precludes their loss even after the initial torque value is installed.

[Toni]

I watched a documentary on Boeing. Back in the day it was the premier safest manufacturer, then some new CEO got involved and it turned into profits are all that mattered. Former employees who took pride in the safety culture were pushed out in favor or number crunchers who were all about productivity on the lines, making the most money, and safety was no longer a priority.

Heckuva documentary. Can't remember the name, but seeing the current headlines and what happened 5 years ago, its just the logical conclusion of the demise of safety culture at Boeing in favor of profits. Pretty obvious if you aren't even bolting the doors on correctly that there are most likely way worse things wrong with those planes caused by pushing them out the door as fast as possible to make the most money.

[Transom]

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[RoadrashPaul]

I watched a documentary on Boeing. Back in the day it was the premier safest manufacturer, then some new CEO got involved and it turned into profits are all that mattered. Former employees who took pride in the safety culture were pushed out in favor or number crunchers who were all about productivity on the lines, making the most money, and safety was no longer a priority.

Heckuva documentary. Can't remember the name, but seeing the current headlines and what happened 5 years ago, its just the logical conclusion of the demise of safety culture at Boeing in favor of profits. Pretty obvious if you aren't even bolting the doors on correctly that there are most likely way worse things wrong with those planes caused by pushing them out the door as fast as possible to make the most money.

It's not just Boeing but pretty much all companies worldwide. Stock prices are the most important factor. Hundreds of people are dead because of Boeing's faulty software that was rushed and not completed. The FAA is also at fault for basically giving them the rubber stamp of approval without much investigating. Making sure their planes are actually safe to fly in is not as important as stock buybacks.

[sushi520vx]

I watched a documentary on Boeing. Back in the day it was the premier safest manufacturer, then some new CEO got involved and it turned into profits are all that mattered. Former employees who took pride in the safety culture were pushed out in favor or number crunchers who were all about productivity on the lines, making the most money, and safety was no longer a priority.

Heckuva documentary. Can't remember the name, but seeing the current headlines and what happened 5 years ago, its just the logical conclusion of the demise of safety culture at Boeing in favor of profits. Pretty obvious if you aren't even bolting the doors on correctly that there are most likely way worse things wrong with those planes caused by pushing them out the door as fast as possible to make the most money.

I saw that too. If im not mistaken, McDonald Douglas bought out Boeing and thats when it all went to hell

[Toni]

It's not just Boeing but pretty much all companies worldwide. Stock prices are the most important factor. Hundreds of people are dead because of Boeing's faulty software that was rushed and not completed. The FAA is also at fault for basically giving them the rubber stamp of approval without much investigating. Making sure their planes are actually safe to fly in is not as important as stock buybacks.

When they start putting the entire boards of companies in jail for malfeasance, then things will change. But while the brass get a pass, profits will always come before anything else. And since the money people run the world, killing peasants is just a minor nuisance in the grand scheme.

[Spanky06]

Hmmm, civilian aircraft quality issues are not the only problem with Boeing, they are having their fair share on the military side of things as well. They do have an Army of attorneys keeping things smooth for them though.

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[billnorman1]

I have been employed a Quality Assurance Specialist for the U. S. Government. I was employed for a time buying a sub contractor's product that went into a Boeing aircraft weapons system which I won't name. We "rode herd" on the subcontractor making sure their product met the specifications of the contract. There were Boeing QA specialists riding herd on our contractors at the same time, but they spent most of their time shuffling paperwork and going to long lunches.
It's a responsibility of the purchaser to have representatives in the Boeing plant looking over the Boeing worker's sholders making sure they do stuff like using correct parts, tightening same and following their internal processes to the letter.
Apparently the purchaser didn't.