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  1. young angler 188Musky's Avatar
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    #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Perry View Post
    I would have to see it to believe it. I think it sounds much simpler than it probably is. Then again I think the drama abd overreacting surrounding FFS is 100x worse than FFS itself.....
    It’s good to realize that you’re not thinking in terms of “what can I snag with my FFS?”

    I definitely agree with you about the drama surrounding FFS, and if people use it to snag bedding bass, or any game fish anywhere, that’s just sad and pathetic.

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    #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Wackyjig View Post
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    #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Perry View Post
    Have you ever beat one or are you just repeating what you've heard?
    It was something that was discussed in a psychology class I took. I have read discussions otherwise as well. Also yes I have been hooked up to one. I was not attempting to imply that itís easy, just that it can be done. If you can fix your mindset so that you believe youíre telling the truth that is one way to get by.
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    #24
    I’ve taken my share of lie detector tests, some have been a little questionable and some have been very elaborate. I’m sure that they can be beat, but their accuracy is more dependent of the administrator (I really doubt the average Joe can beat one administered by a good tester). I think the fact that they will be administered, keeps the riff raff away, and I personally prefer that a tournament I fish plan on giving them. They are NOT admissible in court, but we all sign entry forms that state that we will abide by the results of the test regardless of whether they were accurate or not. This is just the way it’s been and probably always will be. In my experience, protested people typically admit what they did once hooked up, or avoid the test altogether. LOL.

    I have even had 2 personal friends fail, but were innocent (one even had another contestant come forward and said that they watched them all day and didn’t see them do what they were accused of, yet the tournament director decided to go by the lie detector results). Sadly, it’s not a perfect system, but not a bad deterrent.

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    #25
    Doesn’t matter in Michigan . Every fish has to be hooked inside the mouth
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    #26
    I was Frog fishing with Mega Live on Saturday. Nothing like seeing them moving on the edge of the grass line, cast the Frog over them and watch them come up and eat it.

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    #27
    I think you have to break it down. Bed fishing and sight fishing are not the same. I can sight fish without fish being on a bed and I can bed fish without seeing the fish itself. If the organization states that while sight fishing, all fish have to be hooked in the mouth then that encompasses all fish caught that you can visibly see. If the tournament series considers FFS being able to see the fish, then all fish caught with FFS should be hooked in the mouth bed fishing or not. I do not believe any series considers FFS to be sight fishing at this time. If the rule read that all bedding fish have to be hooked in the mouth, then whether it is caught sight fishing, blind bed fishing, or bed fishing using FFS have to be hooked in the mouth. That would be at best difficult if not impossible to distinguish all the time if a fish is on a bed or not while blind bed fishing or fishing FFS, so I don't think that is the way the rules read or at least how the rules are interpreted.

    Now the grey area is if you are fishing for a fish that you could visibly see, but use FFS to catch it and it is hooked outside the mouth, then what? The other grey area is the controversy that happened earlier this year in the MLF where someone would site fish and catch the fish, then theoretically back off and use FFS to catch what could easily be the same fish, but since it wasn't caught "sight fishing", does it count twice? That is going to be a tough rule to make "ethical" with MLF's format.

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