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    Glad to see the billionaire class telling the Govt they should bail out everyone who had money at SVB and guarantee all deposits with no limits. Everybody loves a free market until they lose money.

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    he gov’t has about 48 hours to fix a-soon-to-be-irreversible mistake. By allowing @SVB_Financial
    to fail without protecting all depositors, the world has woken up to what an uninsured deposit is — an unsecured illiquid claim on a failed bank. Absent @jpmorgan
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    acquiring SVB before the open on Monday, a prospect I believe to be unlikely, or the gov’t guaranteeing all of SVB’s deposits, the giant sucking sound you will hear will be the withdrawal of substantially all uninsured deposits from all but the ‘systemically important banks’ (SIBs). These funds will be transferred to the SIBs, US Treasury (UST) money market funds and short-term UST. There is already pressure to transfer cash to short-term UST and UST money market accounts due to the substantially higher yields available on risk-free UST vs. bank deposits. These withdrawals will drain liquidity from community, regional and other banks and begin the destruction of these important institutions. The increased demand for short-term UST will drive short rates lower complicating the @federalreserve
    ’s efforts to raise rates to slow the economy. Already thousands of the fastest growing, most innovative venture-backed companies in the U.S. will begin to fail to make payroll next week. Had the gov’t stepped in on Friday to guarantee SVB’s deposits (in exchange for penny warrants which would have wiped out the substantial majority of its equity value) this could have been avoided and SVB’s 40-year franchise value could have been preserved and transferred to a new owner in exchange for an equity injection. We would have been open to participating. This approach would have minimized the risk of any gov’t losses, and created the potential for substantial profits from the rescue. Instead, I think it is now unlikely any buyer will emerge to acquire the failed bank. The gov’t’s approach has guaranteed that more risk will be concentrated in the SIBs at the expense of other banks, which itself creates more systemic risk. For those who make the case that depositors be damned as it would create moral hazard to save them, consider the feasibility of a world where each depositor must do their own credit assessment of the bank they choose to bank with. I am a pretty sophisticated financial analyst and I find most banks to be a black box despite the 1,000s of pages of @SECGov
    filings available on each bank. SVB’s senior management made a basic mistake. They invested short-term deposits in longer-term, fixed-rate assets. Thereafter short-term rates went up and a bank run ensued. Senior management screwed up and they should lose their jobs. The @FDICgov
    and OCC also screwed up. It is their job to monitor our banking system for risk and SVB should have been high on their watch list with more than $200B of assets and $170B of deposits from business borrowers in effectively the same industry. The FDIC’s and OCC’s failure to do their jobs should not be allowed to cause the destruction of 1,000s of our nation’s highest potential and highest growth businesses (and the resulting losses of 10s of 1,000s of jobs for some of our most talented younger generation) while also permanently impairing our community and regional banks’ access to low-cost deposits. This administration is particularly opposed to concentrations of power. Ironically, its approach to SVB’s failure guarantees duopolistic banking risk concentration in a handful of SIBs. My back-of-the envelope review of SVB’s balance sheet suggests that even in a liquidation, depositors should eventually get back about 98% of their deposits, but eventually is too long when you have payroll to meet next week. So even without assigning any franchise value to SVB, the cost of a gov’t guarantee of SVB deposits would be minimal. On the other hand, the unintended consequences of the gov’t’s failure to guarantee SVB deposits are vast and profound and need to be considered and addressed before Monday. Otherwise, watch out below.
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    I have all of my cash in treasury money market mutual funds that do not invest I repos. I have cash under the FDIC limit in all of my accounts. We did this last year for this very reason. People only seem to plan once a crisis starts. I think having money in a brokerage is much safer if you have assets over FDIC limits.

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    for the first time ever, I'm thinking about investing in a financial company. BLK anyone? Black Rock the evil company that rules the world from behind the curtain. And bought up all the realestate. The entity that will own stuff when you hear the commentary from those who say we will own nothing in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boneil View Post
    for the first time ever, I'm thinking about investing in a financial company. BLK anyone? Black Rock the evil company that rules the world from behind the curtain. And bought up all the realestate. The entity that will own stuff when you hear the commentary from those who say we will own nothing in the future.
    I own both BLK and BX. I am sure BX is just waiting for the distressed asset sales to begin.

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    I own both BLK and BX. I am sure BX is just waiting for the distressed asset sales to begin.

    I read on twitter that they both are looking into buying pieces of SVB today.
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    I read on twitter that they both are looking into buying pieces of SVB today.
    There was a ton of money made during the GFC when they bought assets for pennies on the dollar. They will likely scoop up some of the bank's loans for almost nothing.

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    Next week is going to be rough. Everyone on reddit is in panic mode. There will be a lot of money get pulled out of a lot of brokerages and banks. Looks like the Fed may have called an emergency meeting on Monday.

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    One of the names on that list is Ally Financial. Warren Buffett owns a ton of ALLY…30 million shares as off Jan 1st. Ouch!

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    One of the names on that list is Ally Financial. Warren Buffett owns a ton of ALLY…30 million shares as off Jan 1st. Ouch!
    Probably sucks to be a billionaire and loose a few million...guessing

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    Listening to podcasts and reading commentary, all the rich big name investors seem to agree that this is an "extinction level event", "it's cataclysmic", "its the asteroid coming for the dinosaurs". "If the govt doesn't make all the depositors whole there will be a nation wide run on the smaller banks".

    I have mixed feelings on this. If I was an employee by one of the companies who bank at SVB, I certainly would want the gov't to bail us out and cover deposit over $250K. There's alot of companies who can't make payroll at no fault of their own except to not have all their money divided up amongst multiple banks. That seams ridiculous. But it's probably gonna take an act of Congress to pass legislation to guarantee depositors. And then what is the limit?

    But..... I also remember very well Bill Ackman telling us "hell is coming" as he was covering his shorts in the market and made millions if not billions as he nailed the bottom of the markets while scaring everyone out of the market.

    I think I would be more on board of a depositor bailout if it wasn't the billionaires telling me how this is an extinction level event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boneil View Post
    Listening to podcasts and reading commentary, all the rich big name investors seem to agree that this is an "extinction level event", "it's cataclysmic", "its the asteroid coming for the dinosaurs". "If the govt doesn't make all the depositors whole there will be a nation wide run on the smaller banks".

    I have mixed feelings on this. If I was an employee by one of the companies who bank at SVB, I certainly would want the gov't to bail us out and cover deposit over $250K. There's alot of companies who can't make payroll at no fault of their own except to not have all their money divided up amongst multiple banks. That seams ridiculous. But it's probably gonna take an act of Congress to pass legislation to guarantee depositors. And then what is the limit?

    But..... I also remember very well Bill Ackman telling us "hell is coming" as he was covering his shorts in the market and made millions if not billions as he nailed the bottom of the markets while scaring everyone out of the market.

    I think I would be more on board of a depositor bailout if it wasn't the billionaires telling me how this is an extinction level event.
    A lot of brokerages and banks have insured bank deposits where they have an FDIC money market account which consists of hundreds of short term CDS from various banks up to FDIC limits. I wonder why SVB did not offer this as an alternative for larger deposits? We have over $100 million in condo deposits we are holding at one of the banks on that list. They told us it was in a bank insured deposit money market account spread over several banks. We are having a meeting first thing Monday to go over this. If people start moving that kind of money out it will soon get ugly.

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    Jim Cramer…what a D*****. If he recommends something just do the opposite.
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    The more I read, the more this stinks.
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    Sounds like a good deal for SVB situation. Shareholders get wiped out and depositors will be made whole from deposit insurance. No taxpayer money will be used

    If the Fed raising rates contributed to the situation and is causing stress in the banking system, does this mean the Fed can turn dovish, could we be starting a new bull market until an actual recesssion?

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    If the Fed is backstopping depositors, and the majority of banks are just fine, does this mean the Fed can be hawkish? Who cares if a few irresponsible banks fail. Inflation is the enemy that must be tamed. Higher for longer

    And we thought the last Fed mtg was important
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    Signature Bank just went into receivership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boneil View Post
    Sounds like a good deal for SVB situation. Shareholders get wiped out and depositors will be made whole from deposit insurance. No taxpayer money will be used

    If the Fed raising rates contributed to the situation and is causing stress in the banking system, does this mean the Fed can turn dovish, could we be starting a new bull market until an actual recesssion?

    OR

    If the Fed is backstopping depositors, and the majority of banks are just fine, does this mean the Fed can be hawkish? Who cares if a few irresponsible banks fail. Inflation is the enemy that must be tamed. Higher for longer

    And we thought the last Fed mtg was important
    The funny thing is that I posted something in Wallstreet Bets saying they should do some type of extended repo for a year or two so banks could get liquidity with any treasuries or agencies they hold. Everyone had a fit and called it a bailout. Now 24 hours later that is exactly what they did. I know people are pissed at banks after the GFC but this was not a predatory subprime problem. They screwed up on the duration of the bonds they bought (which is why most people ladder) but it wasn't primarily a credit problem on the assets they held. I wonder if this remedy will clear the way for the Fed to keep increasing rates as there appears to be a backstop in place. Banks are like women. You can't live with them and you can't live without them.

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    The Futures are up huge on the news. Hope it stays up so I can sell some tomorrow for the coming retest of the October lows.

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    Not looking good.

    How about Charles Schwab, SCHW. ouch. Overreaction or warranted?

    Certainly Buffet and his guys are busy looking for buys


    And Cramer said FRC was a good bank Friday $80 to $20 in the premarket

    Whats a more powerful force in the universe, Cramer curse or Jamie Dimon?
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    All I need is 7 years @ at stable 6% return and I will be ready for retirement. I wish yall would get things under control.

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