Abrasion test is a 2" arbor turning at 30 rpm. Line makes a 90 degree wrap around the arbor. Arbor is covered with a 150 grit abrasive. A 100 gram weight is attached one end of the line and the other is attached to the load cell (a fixed point). The value is how much time until the line brakes.Originally Posted by Marmooskapaul
100% honestly right now it is just me picking a number 1-5 how I think it did on the test. I probably should just leave it at zero.
The idea was to set values to each test criteria and award a point for each test it passed. I don't have enough data to set the pass/fail values to do that yet.
I hope to have my fishing line stiffness test finished by the end of the month.
Goal is to have:
1) max force
2) Palomar knot strength
3) stretch
4) abrasion resistance
5) line stiffness
5 test results, 5 points.
I don't think a single palomar is a good knot for braid as it slips. I've always doubled it up by making two overhand knots before placing the hook/ bait through the loop. Try testing that.
Interesting independent study. Keep up the good work.
That’s a good way of doing it, you’re doing the lords work for sure haha. I don’t think there’s another database out there for line. There’s the rod builders database that can compare blanks but it’s nice to have another tool to use to make decisions
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It isn't possible for a correctly tied palomar knot to slip. I have used braid with a Palomar knot for probably 15 years, and done plenty of testing and I have never had that happen.
Last edited by bassfisher444; 02-03-2023 at 11:28 AM.
Very cool database. What do the columns for 10%, 20%, 30% etc.. mean? I was confused by that.
UPDATE: Disregard my question. I got to looking around on the website more and found that this was the line stretch percentage at 10%, 20%, etc... of rated line strength.
Last edited by coreynov902; 02-03-2023 at 12:57 PM.
All knots are going to "slip" a bit. When the line stretches a knots will stretch as well.
That is true if any knot.
Very cool you are doing this. I think once you get results ironed completely out and test procedures dialed in it could hurt some feelings and blow away some misconceptions.
Now we just need someone with unlimited money to buy all the bass boats and do true head to head comparisons
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I would be interested hear why your numbers varied significantly from Pure Fishing's numbers as the employee from Pure Fishing pointed out.
I've been tying a Palomar knot exclusively for almost 30 years. Mono, flouro and braid. If don't feel I did it properly I will cut off and retire 2 , 3 times before im confidant I tied it perfectly. There is definitely a process to tying any knot to preform at its best.
Appreciate the feedback I may try it in the future after all the Power Pro I bought this spring runs out.
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We are having a private conversation about that right now. I am curious as well.
I would look at the knot strength tests, and then think about how often each knot had to be retied compared to other knots. No test for that I guess...
Man this thread has my brain on over load. I just went to a couple of wal mart’s around my house. Neither had the Berkeley big game braid. But the palomar knot topic had me spinning so when I got back home, I did my own Cajun test. An old timer that I used to hang out with in 80’s and 90’s on weekends at Toledo Bend taught me the palomar knot 35-40 years ago and it’s one of my regular go-to knots ever since and I don’t know if I’ve ever had one ‘slip’, but who knows. So I did my Cajun test just now. Tied 1 rope to a tree and 1 to my hitch then connected them with a 6’ piece of 40lb braid and 2 hooks (1 on each end), both tied with a palomar. That’s really a double knot test each time. Then I pulled forward until something broke or slipped. I did this 3 times so in theory I tested 6 knots. All 6 times the braid broke and all 6 knots were still intact on their respective hook. No idea what poundage it broke but the knot was stronger than the line.
I get super picky want the line overlapped and laying what I consider to be perfect before a slowly cinch it down. I have complete confidence in the palomar.
No one needs braid for any reason. The right play would be pick up the big game mono. http://linetestlab.com/
No one needs mono either. No one needs a bass boat, or baitcasters.
Braid is all I use for fishing a frog, works far better than mono.
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