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    Fish Stocking in 3 N.C. Lakes

    Article on Bass Fan today. I wish they would stock some Hydrilla in Harris.
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    This is a great starting point.

    Does anyone know where we would send any money.
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    https://www.ncf1bass.org/

    Chuck Murray, NC BASS president, is one of the guys heading it up.

    He told me his goal was to stock 200,000 by this spring.

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    #4
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyO View Post
    This is a great starting point.

    Does anyone know where we would send any money.

    not to ncwildlife……they waste enough of our money destroying our resources

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    #5
    I hope they stock them a little bigger than fingerlings. Spotted bass in lake Norman will eat them little guys like candy!

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    #6
    Quote Originally Posted by BobD2369 View Post
    I hope they stock them a little bigger than fingerlings. Spotted bass in lake Norman will eat them little guys like candy!
    They have already stocked norman and their success rate is why they are moving forward to gaston and jordsn.

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    Jordan. Every 100 dollars we get 800 f 1 thanks to ncwl matching donations.

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    #8
    Quote Originally Posted by kb_rn View Post
    not to ncwildlife……they waste enough of our money destroying our resources
    Well they are matching donations for this project.

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    #9
    Is this 100% legit????

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    #10
    It was on 98.7 the fishing radio show Wednesday in Mo that you listen to sometime. Marty Stone said it cost about .50 per F1 bass and they have been placing F1’s in Jordan for awhile now.

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    #11
    Oh yeah let’s take all of the invasive grasses(as well as native) out of all of our lakes that is so good for the fish and other wildlife and stock invasive species right back in the same waters. Make it make sense.

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    Donation made.

    The listed lakes might not be yours, but if this does work, your lake could be next
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    Website to make donations is www.ncf1bass.org. This is meant to be a long term program, hopefully stocking 5-6 fingerlings per acre in each of the three lakes, Gaston, Jordan and Norman each of the next 5 years. And yes per the post above the intent is to evaluate this over the five years and determine which lakes it has been most effective in. Then determine where expanding the program may be most effective. Please help spread the word. The goal is $100K per year during this time and the overall impact would be 3-4 times this amount to the fisheries with various state and federal matching funds.

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    Will trade donations for lessons on Gaston from Keith

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    This is straight from Chuck Murray, NC Bass Nation president. He sent this in an email to Bass Nation members earlier this week:

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    Hey Guys, Keith Joyce, our treasurer, Marty Stone (MLF) commentator and myself (NCBN President) have been working on this project since June 22 and finally got NC Wildlife on Board. We as fishermen have a chance to improve our lakes. We are stocking Norman, Jordan and Gaston to begin with F1 Largemouth. . NC Wildlife will need a check from us before end of February for this year's stocking in April. We need your help to make a difference. Please read the website and donate personally or through your club. We don't want to lose a year so try to donate before 2/15. Every dollar we raise, NC wildlife has a 3 to one matching grant available. So $1 will stock 8 fish, $100 will stock 800 fish, so don't delay.


    Here is the link to our website: https://www.ncf1bass. The F1 largemouth is a 50/50 Northern and Florida strain bass. 10+ pounders are common and some achieve larger weights. Let's make it happen. Could also use some help in stocking in some of the lakes when the time comes. $5 dollars help so anything will do. We pay $100 or $200 for a rod, $200 will by 1,600 F1's. Please consider donating. Thanks Chuck Murray


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    I wonder if they are doing the right thing here with stocking the F1 bass. I have been reading some articles about the F1 and wonder how much research results they actually have done. I applaud the fact they are trying to do something but they might be better served stocking the pure strains. I'm including an article and they are plenty more out there.
    TENNESSEE LAKE MANAGEMENT: THE TRUTH ABOUT F1 LARGEMOUTH BASS


    There was a time when I stocked F-1s regularly. Most other pond management companies working in this state still stock F-1s almost exclusively. F-1s are raised by far more fish farms in the southeast than are pure Floridas, which makes them much easier to procure consistently; and my competitors are all about doing things the easy way.
    There’s a genetic phenomenon called outbreeding depression, whereby the offspring of hybrids of two species often display inferior traits compared to either parent species. One of the first weakened traits that typically manifests is poor growth potential. This is why many state agencies now caution pond owners against stocking hybrid bluegill, or warn that a pond stocked with them will have to be totally renovated, i.e. poisoned and re-stocked, every four to six years. If you’ve ever fished a pond that had had hybrid bluegill for several years and you caught bluegill that averaged three inches long, this is why.
    Some biologists claim that Florida- and northern-strain largemouth are only two separate subspecies of the same species; but there are also those who claim they are two entirely separate species. Regardless of which is the case, there’s enough difference between the two genetically that anytime they cross, there is the potential for outbreeding depression in their offspring, just as with hybrid bluegill, hybrid crappie, or any other hybrid.
    One of the saddest large lakes I have ever worked on is a sixty-acre lake near Chattanooga. According to a resident on the lake, large bass were common the first few years after the lake was stocked. Neither that resident nor any of the other residents who fish could figure out why the bass size had dropped so precipitously; as I kept asking questions, I found the probable answer, before we ever saw the lake in person. It was stocked with F-1s, exclusively, from the start.
    When we electrofished it in October 2017, the largest bass we captured weighed 1.21 pounds. The bluegill-to-bass ratio was 4:1, which is not great, but better than the 2.18:1 ratio we found in a 150-acre lake we shocked that same month that had only pure-strain northern largemouth and yielded five bass over 18” in our survey including one that weighed just under five pounds.
    The difference? Those F-1 bass in that sixty-acre lake have been breeding with one another since the lake was stocked in the early 2000’s.
    We electrofished a two-acre pond in west Tennessee in June 2018; the pond had been stocked several years prior with F1 largemouth. The largest bass we found in our survey? Ten inches.
    I am not a genetic specialist; I couldn’t tell you all the ins and outs of outbreeding. I know from the fish genetics class I took that hybrids (whether fish or any other animal) are subject to a wide array of problems at the gene level, including aneuploidy which is when the fish has too few or too many chromosomes. We regularly stock pure Floridas into lakes that only have pure northern-strain largemouth, and those Floridas are almost guaranteed to interbreed with the northerns. The difference is that the pure Floridas can still choose to breed with other pure Floridas, and when F-1s happen, some of those fish are going to breed with pure Floridas or pure northerns, which should minimize the potential for outbreeding. The best example of how well stocking pure Floridas into a population of pure northerns can work, even after many years, is Chickamauga Lake. TWRA first began stocking pure Florida largemouth into the lake on a yearly basis in 2001; in March 2015, the state record of fourteen pounds, eight ounces that had stood since 1954 was bested by a fifteen-pound, three-ounce bass from Chickamauga. Ten-pound largemouth have become common on the lake, a size that was a true rarity when it only had northern-strain largemouth.
    But TWRA isn’t stocking F-1s into the lake – they’re stocking pure Floridas. And they stock hundreds of thousands of new pure Floridas into the lake every year.
    Outbreeding depression in F-1 largemouth is by no means my discovery: I’m just passing on to my clients the latest in scientific knowledge on largemouth bass. Floridas are much harder to source, which is why we’re now raising our own stock.
    If the company you’re talking with is pushing you to stock F1 largemouth, ask them about the negatives that come with these fish. If they tell you there are no negatives, you’re dealing with a company that cares more about their wallet than your lake.

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    Fyi, they already stocked them with success in the James River, and Smith Mountain Lake.

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    Will not the spotted bass in Gaston destroy these fingerlings?
    Im being serious..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borderman View Post
    Will not the spotted bass in Gaston destroy these fingerlings?
    Im being serious..
    They/we have a plan against that. Generally when they dump fingerlings in the lake they do it at whatever boat ramp that’s closest. However we are working on a plan to carry the fingerlings out into the middle of the lake on a pontoon boat and then releasing them.

    The theory is, if we just dump them at a boat ramp then release fish (spots) from tournaments will be close by and eat most of the fingerlings. By dropping them out into the middle of the lake or somewhere out in deep water it will give them a better chance of survival.

    Still working through the details.

    And as someone else mentioned, F1’s have been stocked at SML and the James River with incredible success. Not sure many of you NC boys fish Smith Mountain Lake, but it’s taking 25lbs of bass to win up there in the spring now.

    Wildlife has stated in 5 years after stocking we should begin seeing the benefits of the program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by munchie View Post
    They have already stocked norman and their success rate is why they are moving forward to gaston and jordsn.
    Where can I read about Norman's Success Rate?

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