They stocked Norman over last summer, how could anyone possibly know if it was a success or not? We'll have to see I guess
They stocked Norman over last summer, how could anyone possibly know if it was a success or not? We'll have to see I guess
Kyle
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according to infor the lake norman stocking was not only fingerling but also 1 year fish and the stocking was using several different creeks, where you woud ting there is good cover for them to get a chance to hide (not in the middle of the lake}where the white perch and spotted bass roam. I'm all in for stocking all the major lakes in NC. ... but seems that Jordan aready has a gen pool of larger than normal bass why put F! in it when Yadkin lakes havent seen a 10 lb bass in years.
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I read somewhere a while back that they went back to several sites where they stocked and shocked and to the best of my knowledge they only found 1 fish that had been stocked. Idk why in the world they want to try and "fix" norman. It is an incredible fishery. I love how they kill the grass in all the raleigh lakes(and many others around the state) and then decide they want to "fix" them. Maybe they should look at illegalizing tournament fishing during the spawn statewide for about 5 years in a row and see what kind of effect that has on our fisheries before they put non-native fish in them.
Seems I remember a tournament years ago, that gave each tournament boat a bag with fingerlings in it. Before they made their first cast they had to release the fish at their first fishing spot. Scattered the fish all over the lake in 30 minutes.
I would probably think about releasing the fingerlings around some type of hard cover whether it be grass, wood, or rock so they have a chance to hide would be your best bet. You release them some where deep and open they will exhaust themselves trying to find something to hide around and be easy to pick off.
Nice report fishermen1111. Stocking of largemouth bass sub-species and their hybrids into established populations in small impoundments, large reservoirs and even large rivers like the Ohio River is occurring nationwide. These fisheries management programs often are driven by politics over scientific reason. The programs then become large scale ecological experiments with no fallback potential. Science suggests the potential for great harm, yet the programs continue. Cross your fingers folks and prepare for a wild ride.
Regarding the quote above on the potential downside of stocking F1 hybrids, I think the negative cases were all in small bodies of water where the stocked fish were either the only bass or a much, much higher percentage. It even mentions that when stocking into existing establish population of northern bass, the negative effects may not be seen.
And, as always, there is another perspective. There is something call hybrid vigor where the hybrid takes on positive attribute of both pure strains:
When a Native or Northern-strain fish breeds with a Florida strain, the first generation becomes a hybrid of both subspecies (strains), resulting in the F1 Largemouth, sometimes called Tiger Bass. F1 fish exhibit what is known as "hybrid heterosis" or "hybrid vigor," which means they exhibit enhanced characteristics of each parent subspecies. Like the Native Bass, F1 Bass are less susceptible to winter mortality than their Florida-strain parent. And, like the Florida strain, they maintain an increased growth rate over a more extended period than their northern-strain parent. For those reasons, F1 Largemouth have become very popular in stocking throughout the southeast, where winter mortality is still a concern. Just keep in mind that hybrid heterosis/vigor gets lost in subsequent generations (F2, F3, etc.), so you'll want to restock every 5 or 6 years to maintain the enhanced traits in the gene pool of your pond or lake.
There are just a few more things to consider when deciding whether the Florida-strain or F1’s are right for your pond:
- The size of your pond: We only recommend stocking these two species if your pond is 3 acres or more; otherwise, you won't get the full benefit of these fishes.
- The availability of the fish from nearby hatcheries: Fish don't travel well. And, short of trucking fish straight from peninsular Florida, it can be hard to get pure Florida strain. For these reasons, Pond King typically only carries the Northern and F1 strains.
If you are still unsure about which strain is right for your pond and your goals, don't hesitate to give us a call or send us an email. We'll help you figure it out.
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Where are they getting these from? We had a massive fish kill last summer on our ten acre pond and need to restock. I can't find any F1 fingerlings within a days drive of central NC
Steve Dyer
Mt. Pleasant, NC
i have stocked both pure florida and f1 in my 60 and 30 acre lakes in eastern nc to increase diversity .first round from sportfish usa from alabama were 2 inch fish put in first week june they were one and a half pounds by mid october until hurricane matthew came in and flooded pond and put them into neuse river second stocking same results same year hurricane florence flooded again so guess I stocked neuse river twice . i have experience only on jordan I doubt can improve gene pool of those fish most are foot balls applaud marty stone and others for trying to make improvements in our fishing due to amount of fishing pressure we take for granted how many meat fisherman there are and actually the mortality we cause from fishing for example how many times have caught a fish on a spinnerbait and it goes through an eye did that fish adapt to one eye or parish and how many fish we catch deep summertime and release and end up dying. marty stone actually hit the nail on the head commentating on one of the mlf tournmanets on falls and jordan that need to keep lake levels up during spawn so fingerlings would have a higher survival rate if corp engineers did that our fishing would be unbelievable
Your experience reflects warnings by fishery scientists regarding the use of F1 hybrid bass. It is tempting to think that the impacts of stocking fertile bass hybrids will be confined to the stocking location. Your experience demonstrates that potential negative impacts could occur in connected river systems like the Neuse.
Here is an option, albeit an expensive one, for stocking bass in small waterbodies. This Pond Boss thread discusses the history of production of sterile and useful triploid fish starting with grass carp. It also speaks to production and stocking of sterile triploid bass as a option for producing high quality bass fisheries. High quality is maintained by limiting the density and preventing overpopulation. Realize this is a high quality bass option and that panfish size will suffer.
Many states require triploid grass carp be used and be inspected to verify ploidy inspection before they are stocked.
https://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthrea...&Number=105619
Last edited by csurp; 02-08-2023 at 08:23 AM.
I have some great news for our fisheries. Read the link below. Instead of giving your money to the ncwrc who has never done anything but obliterate world class fisheries in nc we should All invest our money into buying a lot of these and doing our own stocking especially in those Raleigh lakes. I’m gonna make sure I do my part.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/15504222810...mis&media=COPY
This post might be entirely tongue in cheek but please be aware that stocking fish in the public waters of North Carolina is illegal. See: https://www.ncwildlife.org/Fishing/H...ocking-Permits for permit requirements.