Will you please share some more details on the boat.
What HP motor? 150 ho
What shaft length? don"t know
What size boat? 18.6 ' bass boat
Single or twin? single
How did it fail? seized up
Prop size? 23" 4 blade
Oil used? xd100
Latest update of firmware installed? no but they are now.
My dealer got a new power head and had it fixed in less than a week
Do you have the part number for this new throttle cam?
My dealer told me there is a new MAP for my EMM.
Here is the model and serial number for my motor.
Model no. E175DPLSU
Serial no. 05161824
Stwal, the part # is 5005904. I was told that only the early produced engines needed this but mine still had the old one. This is warranty if you can get your dealer to check when you do the upgrade.
The latest MAP upgrade to my 150 has apparently increased the oil usage substantially. Anyone else have the latest upgrade and experiencing the same thing?
I have heard this from others. Second hand, so take it at that, but was told the midrange oil injection volume was increased with the last update.
I got back on the water today with the 17 Viper. I lost about 3 MPH from what I had with the 19 Viper, but gained 300 RPM at WOT( (5300) and the acceleration is unreal.
Also when I trim downa little at high speeds it really plants the bow. Makes for smoother running in rough water.
Judging by the oil usage today, I think BRP ran the entire breakin process on this power head before they shipped it. So far so good on power head #3 - about 4 or 5 hours now.
Seahorse and Johnrude, any comments?
As to date I have not had anyone state that they are using more oil then before the update. I know the update had to do with oil and fuel use. I do not know what affect the change has on usage.
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I have not seen any problems with the new update either.
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Cajun Bill
Just a thought - but I can think of at least 2 things that could increase oil consuption that might have accidentally happened at the same time as the MAP upgrade. (Not part of the upgrade)
1. Motor put into break in mode.
2. Programming changed to the XD50/30 rate.
I'd already consiidered your second point and asked the dealer, but he advised that it could not. Hadn't thought about your other point, but I'll certainly ask. thanks
Hey Pioneer, you may have hit on it. My dealer's response, "Spoke to my service rep Friday and didn't get a chance to get back to you but he said that it was probably put back into break in mode. Apparently he has seen a few situations like that where the upgrade put the engine back into break in again, not all of them were affected like that but some were."
Won't be able to get to the dealer for another week. I'll be running it tomorrow for about 2 hours so I topped off the oil tank to see what the usage will be.
Ran 59 miles yesterday, 14 gallons of fuel and the oil tank went down about 1/2 inch. While I estimate that I still used more oil than I did before the MAP update, I don't think it was as much as I used just after the update. I'm guessing that the update did put me into break-in mode again which I am now out of (again).
One thing to remember is that different models of E-TECs have different oil consumption profiles. A 200 60° block motor will use more oil than the 150hp 60° block, for example.
Another thing that affects oil consumption is acceleration, especially cold starts. When the motor has not warmed up fully, or has debris holding the thermostats open a bit, the oil pump will cycle more often, and quite often on hard acceleration.
Even when the motor is warmed up fully, heavy acceleration will add more oil to the engine. Many times that is why offshore boats will have different oil consumption figures than ones on a bass boat or a runabout. Offhshore boats in rough water are constantly being accelerated and de-accelerated going up and down large waves. No two trips are the same.
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pioneer 197-Any updates for us?
Here it is (YES) it will consume more oil now. (YES) the map did change the oiling. (No) you more than likely are not in break in mode unless someone at the dealer selected it.
Do not worry about it. (UNLESS YOUR ENGINE IS SMOKING ???)
AT HIGHER RPMs THERE IS A BIG DIFF.
We have 2 boats that run 14 hour a day on the week end.
(2) 200 60 deg. etecs and
(2) 150 60 deg. etecs
There is a noticable difference believe me. I already talked to BRP Tech TWO Times About This. BRP Tech Service will confirm it for your dealer if you need to here it from them. Have them call if you do not believe me.
Springseeker
I haven't had the boat back out since the first trip on power head number 3.
Honestly, I don't trust the motor any more. Takes the fun out of boating.
I have a big fall lfishing trip comming up soon and since I am only gettng 15 to 19 hours on a power head, I am saving power head #3 for the trip and hoping it will last the whole trip.
BRP has yet give me any information on what caused the first two power heads to fail.
I would feel better about it if I knew what the root cause was and wha,t if anything, was done to prevent it in the future.
Can't compare oil usage before and after, since BRP converted me from XD100 to XD50 with th elatest power head swap.
The way it stands today. If I could swap it out for a 4 stroke, it would be gone.
Pioneer, I to am on my 3rd power head etec 150 HO MN#E150dhlsuf SN# 05156279. last 2 power heads blew at 7 hours each. Was told by my dealer that they had a machining issue with the blocks causing the failures and that they could not guarantee that this new power head was right(they didnt have a serial# run of the blocks that ran thru this one mill) that is why they switched mine over to XD-50 for precautionary measures. They also hooked me up with a ton of oil, started my 7 year warranty from the third power head and said if this one blew that I would be greatly compensated from new motor, with other goodies. So far I cant complain, they have taken care of me better than I thought anyone would by overnighting stuff and having me back on the water in 3 days from dropping it off.
Matt
mjwray
Thanks for posting. The only other small block V6 I have heard or blowing a power head was a 150 HO reported by rqlt29a in this thread (10 hours)
Was begining to think I was the only one. With two of us having multiple power head failures you can bet there are others having or going to have problems.
Some folks have even inferred that I am the problem.
No very reassuring - what your dealer told you. I had plans to go to the nearshore reefs with my boat. I just don't trust the motor to even try it.
I find it hard to believe that BRP can't track blocks to milling machines that produced it.
It is just not that hard to do, any modern manufacturing facility can do this. I worked in manufacturing 15 years ago and we had been doing it for 5 years already.
For reference - My second power head shipped on 6/1/06. Third shipped around 8/3/06. In between I had a fuel injector replaced and the EMM reprogrammed at the factory. I asked for new motor when the second one blew. They gave me 6 gallons of XD50 ( thew away 2 gallons of my XD100), sent a different prop, and started the warranty over. Not much compensation for all the grief.
Taking a week to 10 days to get back on the water. Three trips to the dealer and 34 hours on the motor. $50 work of gas for each trip to the dealer (one way). Wating From October until March to get the motor. Having to deal with getting a boat with a dead motor on the trailer, Flinching every time I hear the slightest noise on the boat when the motor is running. Ruined Merorial day vacation trip - blew on Saturday morning. Having to get towed. Having every one tell me I should have bought a Yamaha. Getting no information on what is going on from BRP.
I didn't sign up to be a E-TEC tester.
I saved money for years to get this rig. Researched boats and motors for a long time. I bit on the 3 years or 300 hours without dealer maintenance and the emissions reports. If I had the means I would take the hit and sell this motor and get another.
Bottom line - The best customer support in the world is of no use if the motor does not get me home. Reliability should be a given for any outboard manufacturer.
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