Top right (Starboard side) is #1 which means #2 is bad! There is a good chance that you have lost the locater pin on that piston.
Top right (Starboard side) is #1 which means #2 is bad! There is a good chance that you have lost the locater pin on that piston.
Dan Burnette - Marietta, GA
Triton 18TRX - 200 HO G2
Just check the parts log and you can go either .020 or .030 OS depending on how bad the scoring is on that cylinder.
Yeah i had the sides reversed. So, yes, cylinder 2 is the bad one. I pulled some fuel out and noticed it looked a little brown. Like a clearish light brown. Could be the problem??? I feel bad. My dad is easy on this motor. I did look at work that has been done and I think it was only decarbed one time about 8 years ago. He has been running the xd50 in it I believe. I don't know exactly, but I know he didn't have alot of hours on the motor. Less then 500 I would assume. I have to leave now, but I will pull the injector and the port side head to see how bad the damage. I will take pictures and post them. It might be early next week. Is there anyting special to pulling these injectors and head? I will be getting a shop manual before I goo any further. I am also going to try to drain this fuel tank. I don't know how yet, but I will get it figured out.
ChampioNman...your idea of fixing it doesn't sound to bad. Any idea of cost involved in fixing the problem? Thaks again for all te help.
Aaron
might of been from the fuel. I have just taken apart 2 motors that also lost the #2 cylinder. it looks like the 2 I had were from running lean. Good luck with the repair, hopefully the cylinder isn't too bad and you can salvage the motor
If tis problem occured from the fuel is there anything else that could be damaged? Like injectors? Is there a way to test the injectors and clean them?
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Here Bro' ...... I fixed it for ya
'09 Ranger Z520 Silverado Edition / '09 Evinrude ETEC 250 HO
'15 Xpress HD16DBX / Merc 59ci
Ok. A little update. I have done no physical work on the engine this weekend. I have done a lot of research and I have called a few evinrude shops to see what our options are. Two of the shops were recommending pretty much the same thing. It would involve a reman engine and whatever else they do while the engine is there. They also said brp suggests replacing the injector of the same cylinder that went. That makes sense to me. They both said that it could be completely different depending on what is wrong and what caused the problem. They would not know until they take the head off and look at the cylinder. That makes sense to me too. One place was alot more backed up than the other due to the work they already had. They were actually nice enough to recommend the other shop somewhat close to me to contact. I talked to the owner there and he was very helpful and seemed to be a very nice guy. It was a pleasure talking to him. The third guy had a different approach. My father spoke with him. He still said he would have to take the head off to see what is going on. He was talking more about boring or sleeving. Looking at the other cylinders. Possibly a full rebuild. My mechanic nature was liking the way this guy was thinking. I am not sure if he is ficht certified or not. He seems knowledgeable. I know the other two are evinrude dealers and are ficht trained. The price differenence is large though. The remans option costing about twice as much. I know that my father is definately concerned with the reliability of the outcome. With that being said, even at the pice difference, I think the factory spec reman way would be his best option. I have personally not seen it applied to outboards, but rebuilds that I have seen, on average, are not quite as reliable as oem engines. There always seems to be a few things that need worked out with rebuilds. They all offered the same 1 year warranty. Any opinions would be appreciated. I know reliability is my fathers main concern, but cost is a factor as well. He is basically weighing his options at this point.
Thanks,
Aaron
you think of buying a used ficht, they have such a bad rep people tend to sell'em cheap when theres little or nothing wrong with 'em, This is how I bought mine[225ho, 01] bought off ebay for $1500 buy it now price lower was bad,had about 300 hours and nothing bad ever went wrong with it before I bought it,and I put on 100 more.hours.
01,225,HO,Rude Ram,1;86 gears 93,nitro 190 76.6gps,26tro4 m#E225FHLSIF,S#G04956186
Here is where it gets dicey and pricey. You can go with a short block and move all your stuff over to the new block or opt for the fully dressed long block. Do a search on the net for engine rebuilders and make a few calls. Weigh your options you may even talk to some dealers who may make you a deal on a new E-tec.
The new etec option has become an option. My father will be getting back with me about that.
If it comes down to a new motor, is etec a good way to go? I think he will be able to save cost if he sticks with evinrude. I don't know if his rigging will work or if he will need new?? It is a 2002 Triton. Would you guys recommend an etec, or should he consider something else? As stated earlier, relaibilty is his main concern. If he chooses etec, what are the difference between the standard 225 and the 225H.O.? The only difference I see is the different gear ratio between the two and a slightly different stroke. Is the H.O.'s performance that much better? Thanks again guys.
Aaron
It isn't a High Output just for a sales gotcha,
Update...We took the boat to the shop and got a good idea of what happened. #2 cylinder had a broken ring. Deep scratches in the cylinder wall. It looks like some pieces of the ring made it down to #6 cylinder and beat the top of the piston up a bit. The head had been beat up some too. The BS to this is the engine blowing at only 180 hours. The hottest temp the engine saw was 173.8 degrees. According to the hour graph 50% of time was spent below 1000 rpm's. The rest of the time was mainly spent between 5000-5500 rpm's. I know from watching the tach that the boat rarely saw 5800/5900 rpm's. It showed the highest rpm at 6220. I believe that was years ago on Kerr. 2001 I believe. We hit a boat wake and came out of the water pretty high and the engine revved a little. He let off immediately until we got back in the water. Looking at the engine, it showed very little wear. The cross hatchings looked very good and with little to no wear. There was very little carbon build up. The lower unit feels a little rough and the the mechanic said it could be a worn bearing. I don't know much about the gear case so I am trusting his judgement. Basically it seems like a broke in engine that blew up. WTF!!!!???
On a good note, the mechanic seemed knowledgeable, honest, and was pleasant. We appreciated that he was willing to take a look at the engine while we were there.
After all said and done, the estimate for fixing the ficht (including lower unit work) was a little less than half the price of a new 225 HO Etec. With the ficht out of warranty and insurance not covering anything due to it being a mechanical failure, this has become an expensive out of pocket situation. I know my father is probably going to buy a new engine. I never had a problem with the ficht and I thought my father had a goood engine. But after seeing the diagnosis and the inside of the engine, I can say that I am not a big fan. It did run strong while it lasted though. All in all it's a pretty crappy situation. But he might end up with a new engine. The 5 year warranty they are offering now seems nice, and the etec seems to be more reliable. Injector issues on some, and ethanol in gas seem to be the only major problems. In the end, I know that my father wishes his ficht was still runnin good and all was well. It's crazy how expensive it is to repair and replace these outboard engnes. 180 hours and thousands of dollars later just doesn't seem right. That's horrible reliability that seems like something was wrong from the beginning. Is what it is...I guess.
More than likely what happened is carbon got under the ring and lifted it or the locating pin in the piston came out allowing the ring to rotate and catch the exhaust port, The piece of ring traveled down the exhaust housing and was probably injested by #6 piston on a compression stroke.
This happens in the carbed V-6 200 and up also. It is really due to heat build up. What we do to help in the carb world is to increase the size of the #2 carb high speed jet. By doing that it helps cool the #2 piston by giving it more fuel.
That makes sense. So basically the top two cylinders (#1 and #2) are typically exposed to these problems more than the others. Is the heat itself in the top cylinders what causes them to lean out and get too hot? Or is there other reasons that cause those to get lean? From what I understand, the engine being on its side is the root of the problem. Heat rises, naturally building the most heat in the top cylinders. This starts to cause a lean condition in the cylinder which ultimately causes more heat. In the end, causing problems like broken pins, rings, etc...??? My question is...aren't these outboards designed and engineered to combat these issues with the top cylinders? Especially ficht and newer engines that have much more precise fuel delivery than carbed engines? The odd thing is that I read alot about the reliabilty and the longevity of certain engines. And a lot of them seem to be carbed engines. I would think with the technology and price of outboards increasing, the reliability would as well. Maybe I am wrong...idk. But outboards are expensive to buy and fix. I would expect the reliability in general to be better. With that being said, I love bass boats and outboard engines. Just venting a little.
As was stated above, I'm betting on carbon under the rings. I run a 225 DI 03 m/y and nothing but xd-100 oil.
Yeah...I have been reading that the xd100 treats the fichts better. My father ran the xd 50. In the beginning he used to run the ficht carb x. That was what evinrude sold before the xd 50. The odd thing is that from visual inspection of the cylinder, top of piston, and head...there was very little carbon build up. It looked like a dusting of carbon on top of the piston. I have seen other outboards with much, much more carbon build up than this. I seems it was carbon that caused the ring to break. It just seems it shouldn't have. It just doesn't make sense to me. Regardless, this should't have happened with the condition the engine was in.
Modified by abianca99 at 11:33 PM 6/26/2010
First, I wanted to thank you guys for all the help you have given. It is much appreciated. In the beginning, I was looking forward to buying a shop manual and picking up the software to work on the engine in the future. My father being the decision maker, decided he wanted to by a new engine and not repair the ficht. After a lot of research and pricing, he decided to go with a new Merc. The dealer is right up the street from him. My father has bought a Mariner from him in the past and had excellent service from them. The dealer is very reputable with sales and service being top notch. The Evinrude dealer my father has been dealing with is about 2 hours away and has been great as well. With that being said, the owner was very knowledgeable, pleasant, and seemed to be honest. Good guy in my book. I would recommend him to anyone looking for an Evinrude or a good mechanic. Not being brand loyal to any, my father was looking for the best option all around and I believe he made a good decision.
I am a member on other forums (not fishing related) and am very glad I have found this site. You guys are very helpful without a lot of bashing. I would consider this site as good as any other I have been to. I look forward to learning more being a member here. Once again, I am very thankfull of all the input you guys have given. I will recommend this site to anyone looking for good bass fishing and boating advice. I appreciate all your help.
Thanks,
Aaron
we're glad we tried to help you out and sorry for the outcome. I'm sure your dad will have good service out of the new Merc they are good motors also. Having a dealer that he trust and is nearby helps matters too. Only bad thing I can think of is having to re-rig every thing for the conversion. Don Weed (AKA european marine) on the Merc boards it a top notch tech and a personal friend of mine. If you have any questions on your dads new purchase, just bounce a question off Don he's a straight shooter.
Yeah. The conversion is a lot more work than rigging the etec. We had the guy rigging the boat go over everything with us. He seemed confident with the entire proccess. Also, I agree, Don seems to be a huge help on the Merc forum. I already had conversation with him and he was very helpful. Thanks for the support of the new purchase.
Aaron
I don't know Don personnally, but from what I've seen, and the accolades the Merc owners put on him, he is top notch!! Congrats on the purchase for your pops and enjoy.
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