250 HO prop question

[bigbass225]

I have a 250 HO on a 08 cougar FTD with a 6" hyd plate, running a moderate load. I am able to post some blistering top speeds but unable to find a prop that will give me a great or even good hole shot with decent top speeds. I have a suspicion it is in large part due to the 1:71 gear ratio. I have tried 25, 26 raker II's and merc trophy 25, 26 and tempest as well. All are "ok" when by myself with empty wells and half tank of fuel but with 2 people full wells and fuel horrible at best. I have been working with a couple people with same problems and we have spent thousands of $$ trying to find the perfect prop with no success. I know its not a basscat only problem as I have seen it on rangers and stratos as well. The common denomator is the 250 HO. Anyone else having this problem and if so what was the solution. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

[DOUGMCGEEFTD]

Denny i feel your pain as you well know. I am waiting on Larry to get back to me as he is suppossed to be finding our solution. The bravo 1 was decent on holeshot but i lost 7 mph, the fury is the best i have found to this point but still not a good holeshot. fury has the best top end. i have a new 27 tempest, a new 25 tempest, a mazco hp 4,and a 25 trophy to play with this weekend. i will let you know if i find the answer but I AGREE IT SHOULD NOT BE THIS DIFFICULT AND BRP SHOULD BE DOING ALL THIS TESTING NOT US!!!!!!!!!!!!


Modified by DOUGMCGEEPUMAFTD at 9:12 PM 5/26/2009

[Blue Steel]

BRP should do the testing? Does Merc and Yamaha do that? I feel yer pain guys but...you will find the right combo.

[DOUGMCGEEFTD]

Merc and yamaha make props to run on there motors and perform as they should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They did their testing already!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey i like my ho but should not have 3k worth of wheels to find an answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if i call any merc/cat dealer and tell him i have a 250 pro xs and ask what prop ineed they can all tell you and get you very very close with 1-2 quesses. i havent found anybody yet to get us there nor has Denny!

[Blue Steel]

Its a give and take...you either want max speed and give up a little holeshot, great holeshot and lose a little top end....

[DOUGMCGEEFTD]

I understand the game as well as you have been doing it many years but shouldnt have to give up 6-7 mph and spend 800 plus dollars on a prop to hole shot. I can run right at 83 with a fury,decent holeshot with a B&B bravo 1 that runs 76. i have an 08 sitting here with a 08 225 early with 186 gears thaqt runs that with a 400 tempest and better on fuel. If i have to run 76 with a 250 why have it? I could understand 79-80 with a good holeshot.So yes i know the give and take game as does Denny

[DOUGMCGEEFTD]

ttt

[quest290]

I´ve solved with a trophy playing with the rubber taps. You have to iniciate
with all 4 with the 12 mm hole and larger until the boat start to cavitate in
hole shot. I´ll measure the exact hole left this weekend and send to you

[DOUGMCGEEFTD]

trophy doesnt work on our rides!!!!!!!!!!! I have a 25,26 and 27. I do know there was some testing done today by some folks at brp on rigs like ours. we will see where it goes! I am happy to see we arent being ignored. Just hope we or they can find the answer.

[bigbass225]

I understand what you are sayin blue, however there is no middle ground I would be happy with a prop that I could get a good hole shot and decent speeds. You either get good hole shot or good top end there is no middle ground. I shouldnt have to give up 7-8 mph to get a hole shot!!!

[Blue Steel]

You try a 28 Bravo 1?

[Garfish]

I have 2 28 BravoI's, one is bone stock and the other has been worked extensively by Mark.I run the worked one with 4 lower holes plugged and the outer holes with the large plugs. Tournament loaded with 1/2 half tank of gas, live wells empty and no partner I come out of the hole with an immediate 4600 and start trimming immediately. The prop pulls all the way thru with no hint of a blowout. Top end at 5850 is about 76. I have run this boat 79.1 with a Mark worked 27 TXP, but was winter time and was too impatient to work with the plugs to get a decent holeshot. I am now back to testing. The new Bravo will go to Mark as soon as I have a few more runs with it. Have gotten RPM up to 4000 on launch need 4500 min. I was on Lake wheeler last week in stormy weather and never had an opportunity to run WOT.

[quest290]

hello guys
I´ve measured the holes in the rubber inserts in my trophy. I have 3 with 12mm and 1 with 8 mm. It´s working for me

[boogerdoc2]

Guys I know that the hydromotive props have had good success as well here locally on Rangers with similar issues. My ftd with a 26 fury doesnt have issues though Doug. Strange. Although it's still in California Doug- and has a hydraulic plate.


Modified by boogerdoc2 at 4:18 PM 5/25/2009


Modified by boogerdoc2 at 4:22 PM 5/25/2009

[SEAHORSE]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bigbass225 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a 250 HO on a 08 cougar FTD with a 6" hyd plate, running a moderate load. I am able to post some blistering top speeds but unable to find a prop that will give me a great or even good hole shot with decent top speeds.

I have been working with a couple people with same problems and we have spent thousands of $$ trying to find the perfect prop with no success.
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What has BassCat done for you, since they make the boat and rig it to run with different engines?

[DOUGMCGEEFTD]

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What has BassCat done for you, since they make the boat and rig it to run with different engines?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well they have done a lot but its not a boat issue when there hull works fine with the other 2 major brands . Not to mention the holesahot issues are alive and well with 250 HO's on all sorts of hulls!Dont belive it go to an flw tour event and watch the rangers take off with them.

But if you want I can start making a list of lots of others with the same issue who said i could use their names if it comes to it!!!!!!!! Oh and they are in other boats as well! But i dont think this is the time or place but it might be in the coming days! But I hope we can get things resloved and thats what this post was about !


Modified by DOUGMCGEEPUMAFTD at 7:46 PM 5/25/2009

[DOUGMCGEEFTD]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boogerdoc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Guys I know that the hydromotive props have had good success as well here locally on Rangers with similar issues. My ftd with a 26 fury doesnt have issues though Doug. Strange. Although it's still in California Doug- and has a hydraulic plate.


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So i quess Andy in Tenn with puma and Denny in wisconsin are all imagining these issues!I guess since BRP rep couldnt make it work either last week he must have as well. Not trying to bash right now just looking for answers. We have all tried many props and setups and i have had my boat 2 months and fished once. the rest has been setup and such. The hydromotive is the same as the bravo 1 worked by croxton. It does make it a little better but it kills about 6-9 mph. So why have a 250 that runs 75 and drinks fuel with the setup when there is a 225 ho parked next to it with 186's on the same hull runs 76-77 with half the fuel!

I could solve the issues with a gear case swap but i am not going to start wrenching on a 2 month old motor. i could put a 186 gearcase with a 28 raker 2 or a 27 fury and break your neck on holeshot. i even have it good authority that there are some lightning gear cases out there with 186's in the new gears. If i spend 3 more thousand it be to change colors. i really hope it dont come to that maybe we will get some help. i know denny who started this post is wating to order his 2010 because of this issue and he is like me and doesnt want to switch but may have to.


Modified by DOUGMCGEEPUMAFTD at 7:52 PM 5/25/2009

[Blue Steel]

Doug, I too have tried many props, my boat is as heavy,maybe heavier than yours. A 27 Fury worked by Mark should work for you guys.No prop out of the box works well.

[DOUGMCGEEFTD]

mark built the tempest 26 and the bravo1 26. i got enough money in props and jack plates to buy a alum boat!

[Blue Steel]

Maybe you guys should look into buying an EVO