I think in order to be able to use the forward Panoptix I will need a lot more practice. The down is a piece of cake. The 3d stuff is also weird sometimes, but it will pick up bottom contour changes very well. I really liked the sidevu and downvu, plus the 2d chirps is good to go. Maps are very good, I was using the LakeVu HD Ultra next to the latest Navionics and they are both great.