this is why i stay off of these board's but this particular post was brought to my attention. i hate seeing a person really in need ask a question then have to read 3 pages of everybody elses bickering on the topic, and its alway's the guy's who have never even leaned against the particular boat in question who seem to be the professor on that particular hull. so what happen's is the poor fella who need's to know get's off the net with no questions answered!
if someone gives advice then take it only as advice. you then have to decipher out of this info what you want to try. do what you can afford and what fit's your application. if you don't want to add more setback in fear of damaging your transom then don't do it. some people think that this stresses the transom to point of failure. i've never seen it happen but i may one day, the way i see it is if the setback caused the failure then the transom was on the way out anyway. This is only my two cent’s.
the statement was made earlier that a tr-21 would not run with a 12 inch setback. Here is my test and the results. A friend of mine who fishes b.a.s.s brought me his tr-21 with a 225 popti on it. Him as a passenger me driving.
Full of fuel, live well full to the lid and all of his gear.
6” setback and 26 tempest 66 mph.(call to triton, they say this is the fastest set-up don’t touch it, add trim extenders to get more bowlift) passenger had to go up front to plane off. Is this customer going to accept this as an acceptable 40,000 dollar purchase, no! (I don’t know what that cost though)
Leaves my shop, 14” setback and 27 power tech tr-04 worked by a good propman, 74 mph and good holeshot, pulls good to 70 then kind eases up to 74. falls to 66-67 in turns. So he’s happy. Next tournament is in Paducah Kentucky, calls me from hotel that night saying that all the other triton guy’s are asking how to make their boat run that good. They don’t get it because triton keep’s telling them that the factory set-up is the best.( I know triton is covering their butt)
This is only what I’ve done so I’m sure everyone is about to fire off at me about I don’t know what I’m talking about. Next someone didn’t believe that bens boat didn’t pick up 7 mph on just a jack plate change, well it did! 12” of setback was 70mph.(still no bow lift) bolted on 5” more and some height changes, 77 and some change. I was driving and ben and paul as witness to the gps when I got back. (paul has two allisons so i think he’s a credible boat set-up witness.)
Some body else said 12” was too much for a 18’ foot bassboat. Well I have a 18’ foot 525# pound drag boat with 10” at the moment. Is this too much for my boat? My point is people who give advice need to have atleast tried it to say that it does or doesn’t work. Any time ben gave setback advice it was because it worked on his boat so he’s giving free advice to someone else. A friend of mine was talking to guy that he sold a mid section to off of a high performance site the other day, well this guy was boasting how his mirage quartermaster was running 105 in the quarter mile with a stock 260 hp on it. No body could touch him. Well matt simply said I was running d.s.r.a. pro stock with a stock 200 merc efi and was running 103 in the quarter. Well this guy not knowing anything goes blasting him on the board saying how full of crap he is about my boat. Ok this guy never been in a sanctioned race is now an expert! I love it. I’ll give anyone on this board the chance to come to Monroe, Louisiana to see it for themselve’s better yet come watch a race. I never believed tat a stock 2.5 200 would run this strong either! For those of you who have never even seen a capsule drag boat in person then here’s your chance to come drive one too! That’s how good my boat is set-up that I would let someone who has never been over 70 drive my boat over a 100.
We eat, sleep and drink fast boats over here so for you non believers and realist you just need to hang out one weekend. This fall’s plans are project pro-stock, cobra and pro-craft. We want to see just how fast a stock 200 efi can go on my race boat. My goal is around 120.i bet the know it all’s are falling out if their chair’s now. Also is bens cobra it WILL run 85 this fall with his pro max. then for giggles I have pro-craft 200 dc just sitting in the yard, I’m gonna make it fly just so everyone on the board can call us liars about that too! I have plenty of motors, prop’s and time to dedicate to such a project.
On a serious note, I have met some of my best friend’s talking about boats on the net, this year I lost one of them. We were so tight that his wife wouldn’t let the funeral home close the night of the wake until I got there to say my farewell. They waited almost two more hours on me, they were in Houston. All this bickering is stupid, and the friendly trash talk gets taken the wrong way by someone who’s pride gets in the way. It’s trash talk, it’s to be taken as jokes not personal. I’m sure I’ll also get banned for this but a moderator should not ban a member for something said in a p.m. and not said directly to a member negatively in view of the other members. For those who don’t know ben has been banned for having different set-up techniques than a moderator. So it turned to some ribbing on a p.m. between the two. No other member was affected by what they said to each other but ben had to go when ben said we’ll see when I out run you. JUST FRIENDLY TRASH TALK!!!!! Nothing personal
So I’ll keep everyone posted on the outcome of our test’s but I will not give advice, so I can avoid all the being called a liar. We are having our last race September 16and 17 in vidor texs. I’m currently tied for first for pro-stock point’s this year and soon as this race is over then we will have time for some test’s again. I’m also planning on being at the bullet fall fest on lake Concordia again. Anyone who can come need’s too, lot’s of fun with good folk’s. the chili aint bad either. We had just as many race boa’s as bass boats last year. There will be plenty of trash talk too!!!
Good luck to all in the quest for more speed , if you haven’t gone broke then your not trying hard enough!!!!!! Just joking, believe me when I say that knowledge always outruns money. If you can’t out spend them then you have to out think them.
Later, jeff.
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