Trial Run #2, #3, & #4 w/HT Parts

[djd]

Trial #4

Dropped jackplate to about 4" below pad (hard to measure (trailer roller is in the way).

25T1 (dinged up) 6000 RPMs, No partner 68mph, Nice holeshot. Feels better than previous setup.

27 Tempest Plus 5700 RPMs, No partner 69mph, decent holeshot.


Trial #3

Dropped jackplate to about 3" below pad (hard to measure (trailer roller is in the way).

25T1 (dinged up) 6000 RPMs, No partner 68mph, Nice holeshot. Rides higher, require less steering input.


Trial #2

25T1 (dinged up) 6000 RPMs, Full Tourney load w/partner 66mph, Average to good holeshot.

26 Tempest Plus, 5800 RPMs, Just me w/full tanks, 64 mph (seriously).

27 Tempest Plus, 5700 RPMs, Full Tourney load w/partner 67 mph

NOTE: I have removed the Parker RACOR filter. Lost RPM problem is gone.

From previous post.

Trial #1

Picked up my 03 ZX200 w/Yamaha 3.1L Ox66 yesterday from Anglers Marine after having the following installed.
1) HT Phase I Kit
2) Bob's Exhaust Tuner (& Solid Motor Mounts for that matter)
3) HT Velocity Stacks
4) HT Intake Spacer
Baseline (before HT):
6000 RPMs, 25T1 w/some work Mark had done for the previous boat owner (dinged up) w/tourny load (64-66mph, depending on outside temp). Before the T1 was dinged up pretty good I could (65-68mph, depending on outside temp), same RPMs. Average to good holeshot.

Only had a short time to play with props yesterday, and I forgot my 26 Tempest, so I picked up my buddys 27 Tempest that has been BB and tricked out by Mark (buddy runs a Blazer, Hyd Jack Plate, Merc 225 EFI).

Results: Slightly throatier at idle, Slightly better holeshot than T1, very strong up till 5500 RPMs (about 69mph). At that point it felt like the motor had plenty of power to keep pulling, but it slowed quickly and then after a few seconds lost 200 RPMs. Repeated several times with similar results.

Called Anglers Marine, Harland noticed I had a Parker Racor fuel filter / water separator and thought it was causing too much of a pressure drop to support at top end. Makes sense to me, what about the rest of you?

I'm going to remove the Parker filter, replace the Yamaha filter, (and change the plugs while I'm at it) and try my buddy's prop again. Unfortunately it will probably be 2 weeks, ughhhhhh, before I get to run it again.

[djd]

HELP!!! I'm going to change the plugs and play with the props some more, but I'm starting to get frustrated.

Some extra notes on my boat. (4) 29 Series Batteries and Power Pole. Probably a little heavier than the average ZX200.

I've had two people comment on the Bob's Tuner, what is wrong with it? Seriously, I'm willing to try a lot of different things at this point.

I certainly don't feel like my engine is putting out another 75 - 90 HP as advertised as it generally ran 63 - 65 mph tourny load (depending on air temps) w/the same 25T1 @6k. The thing I really don't understand is why it is only turning the same T1 to 6k with 1 mph more speed?

[roybiggens]

DJD,

I had a phase II kit installed on my motor a few weeks ago. I'm running a Stratos 200 XL w/ 225 HPDI Series 2 on it.

Prior to the kit I was running a 27 TXP to about 5800 RPM's and I could get 78.5mph on a good day. That's with just me, 1/2 tank of gas, empty live-wells, and my normal fishing load.

After the kit I had to play around with my props a little but i got the boat running 84.2 mph with the same load. I had to go to a 29T1 worked by Performance Props in Chattanooga, TN. I'm running a 8" plate with the prop at 1.25" under pad.

Something whether it be the plugs, fuel filters, or that tuner is holding you back. I say this because you and I have the same setup as far as heads and reeds go, and you have the velocity stacks and spacer which I don't. So all things being equal you should be seeing about the same jump in performance that I have. The main difference I see is that I'm running the Hydrotec tuner and you're not. That leads me to believe that your tuner just isn't working well with the other mods.

I really think you should be able to turn a 27T1 to be honest and I'm not familiar with Skeeter setups but 3-4" under pad is pretty low IMO. Shoot me an IM if you'd like and I can get into a few more specifics on what I found.

[spider1]

I don't think the racon filter is your problem if it is not pluging or is rated at a high enough fuel flow. I have on rated for 90gph and have run over 100.

That bobs tuner could be holding you back but I would not think that much.

[Rich Z]

I certainly don't feel like my engine is putting out another 75 - 90 HP as advertised as it generally ran 63 - 65 mph tourny load (depending on air temps) w/the same 25T1 @6k. The thing I really don't understand is why it is only turning the same T1 to 6k with 1 mph more speed?[/QUOTE]

75-90 hp gain...now thats a bunch of BS. You lucky if you picked up 10hp.

Phase I- heads and reeds = to no mph gain. Improves only hole shot and midrange acceleration and costs a lot more at the gas pump.

Tuner should equal to some speed gains but not sure about Bobs.

Space plate and VS stacks = to BIG FAT O in hp or speed gain.

My suggestion is to fix that 25T cause it sounds like you have too much prop slip. Raise motor to 2.75 below pad and you should see better results.

[Mat_HT]

Rich, I am curious to know what experience you have with our Phase kits? You must have at least a little to speak so confidently about their ineffectiveness and overall lameness. Just curious......
I really have no desire to get into it with someone about whether they think this stuff works or not, except to say this - we are extremely confident in our high performance products because of the years of research and development that we have put in to it, including countless hours on the dyno and on the water. And we have many customers with all different makes and models of boats that have experienced the results and are very satisifed.

Dustin, I know you are in contact with Wayne, but feel free to get a hold of any of us if you need anything else. We definitely want you to be satisfied with our product, and if we can help in anyway, just let us know.
I do want to clear up one thing in your previous post: the advertised hp gain for the Phase I kit is 30hp, plus you can figure another 20 hp or so conservatively for the spacer plate and velocity stacks. So roughly 50 hp from our parts.....not sure on the Bob's tuner.
So I am not exactly sure where the 75-90 hp gain came from.....
Sorry if there was some confusion there, but we don't even claim that much with the Phase III kit.
As I said before, don't hesitate to give us a call if we can be of any help.

[Wayne Worthy]

[Rich Z]

Mat, I didn't use any of the terms you mention to described the effectiveness of your phase kits. I agree that they do increase performance on various levels as I stated in reference to phase I. However, the spacer plate and vs stacks are no gains to Dustin’s configuration. The spacer plate and vs stacks are not even offered in any of your phase kits. As you should know, the space plate and vs stacks are better suited for high performance models. Dustin would be better off by removing and rearranging the weight on his rig and fixing his prop. My 20+ year experience comes from my own dyno which is my rig and my oracle.

[shortcast]

Sounds like you may need to come to Louisiana and set your oracle in a HT equipped boat. When it is properly set up and running right it will put a grin on your face.

[Rich Z]

Thanks for an invite but this oracles drag does 11s in a quarter so it’s much more than a grin and doesn’t have a single HT part on it.

[Harbin_22]

I can tell you from personal experience.. I ran the phase 2 for a short amount of time on my zx225 3.1L. I was running my plate around 1 1/2" to 2" under the pad to see my best results. Sometimes you may have to try bumping the trim slower and possibly when you get to a consistant speed.. bump it down a time or 2. My plate was setup where it would blow out a little on the holeshot and worked pretty well.

As far as the speed vs rpm with that prop... some props are only gonna be able to push your boat so fast. Let mark work it for you. It will let you run higher on the plate and get more rear lift out of the boat. It helped mine all around. Well worth the cash.

No expert but my .02. I kinda had the same feeling at first but I got better the more I played

[LeeinAlabama]

What circuit do you race in ?

[Rich Z]

IM sent.

[reelman]

I know this much...with 2 rigs I went from a 25 to a 27 pitch at the same rpms when I added some (just some) HT parts (not P2 or 3)...that means more speed every single time...and it was...not a topic for doubt or discussion.
You can't sell P-Kits year after year on a Forum with 41,000 guys and sneak products by them.
Repeat, 2 rigs went from a 25 to a 27 pitch...and speed gain was 3-5mph.
Dent Doc and a couple others have gone the distance with HT parts and can give detailed data.

[gamblerjewell]

I have went a good distance with mine and the HT guys and I have a 270HP little 2.6 that will push my heavy gambler 80+ MPH gps before the HT work it would run only 72-73 on a really good day. I'll admit I had to reprop and re jackplate the motor but with HP gains setup is an absolute I have alway had my boat set to run its best no matter what motor was on it. You can only so so much with prop and weight distribution then HP is where you get gains and the guys at HT will get you HP Keep Up the good work there "Worthy" Brothers. These guys have got true integrety and stand behind their products.

[djd]

So I was cleaning my O2 sensor and decided to check a few things out after I had A Phase I kit installed, Bobs Tuner & solid mounts, intake spacer, and velocity stacks. Guess what I found?

1) Gap on the oil linkage was fricking HUGE! Seems like Anglers Marine didn't check it, the gap was at least a 1/4"... Set to 0.035". Should help oil consumption, etc.

2) The serious bummer. Looked at my old heads...UGHHHHHHH! HT8500 stamped on the side, just like my new heads! Looked at the old tuner, HT tuner! Can't believe the guy I bought this boat from several years back didn't tell me that!

This would explain the smaller gains than anticipated. Now i just need to get the 02 sensor taken care of.

djd