Anyone else going to the federation meeting tomorrow in Hays ?? I have some issues to discuss with the youth coordinator, plus to hopefully see what the federation has planned for this year.
Steve, Larry & I went last spring an actually had a good time, and cleaned up at the banquet raffle.
Not looking forward to the drive, but......
I will be there with my wife and My son and his wife are going. It should be a good time but will be a long day as e-board members have to be there at 8:00 am with the general meeting of club reps starting at 10:00 am. All Federation affiliated clubs need to have a rep at the meeting or don't complain later that they don't know what is going on. Larry Brumley
Modified by carp_mstr at 12:44 PM 2/26/2010
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Why what's the point they don't listen to what the clubs want anyway. Just do what they want.
I'll be attending the meeting representing the KS Bassmasters.
Also looking forward to the banquet. See you guys there.
Ok Kyle just what has the state federation done to get your panties in such a wad? You and all of the other state members are always welcome to come to the meetings and events and are free to make changes via proposals and by law changes and are free as a club to vote on them with the majority ruling or better yet volunteer to serve on the e-board and help bring about change if you can convince the majority that it is the thing to do. As a federation we are always looking for good ideals to make the organization better. Just remember if you don't like the way things are volunteer to help make things better. Off my soapbox for now. Larry Brumley
My opinion by the way. The one thing that pisses me off about the KBCF, which I'm sure this subject will be brought up at the meeting, is they or should I say a few select individuals want to do a way with the Mr. Bass tournament. To me the one's who want to do way with the Mr. Bass tournament are the individuals who only belong to the clubs so they can fish the qualifier. They don't fish club tournaments or participate in club events. There is even a few clubs that exist just so they can send a person to the Mr. Bass and fish qualifier. They do not have club tournaments or other events. Therefore they do not qualify for the right to get to go to the Mr. Bass. I like many other club members work very hard to be first at the end of the year to be able to compete in the Mr. Bass. I consider it an honor to go and represent my club. Yeah by eliminating this tournament it will make one more spot available at the qualifier, big deal. If you don't like it then fish your club events so you can go fish the Mr. Bass for one of two chances of making the team. If you don't win then fish the qualifier.
Hey Kyle the ideal to do away with the Mr. Bass keeps cropping up every few years and it takes people like me and you to keep this from happening. The proposal on the web site is one clubs opinion not the opinion of every one. I have my own proposal to bring up at the meeting and hopefully will have enough clubs support at the meeting to not only keep Mr. Bass but enhance it. It takes the support of clubs such as yours to make the federation run the way we want it to. A lot of us are on the same page we just need a club rep at the meeting to vote down any proposal to eliminate the state team position from the Mr. Bass winner. This would be a grievous mistake that I personally will try to keep from happening just need help. Thanks Larry Brumley
was planning on riding over with Brad,, but Work come's 1st ( since i've only worked about 3 weeks since the middle of Dec.) i would liked to have made the meeting also to complain .. why is it when Dates are posted that people wait 6 weeks before they say any thing.. it seem like we have had to change date for our LC club and PJ club for the last 3 years.. like Larry said if you don't like the way things are being run .. step up to the plate and PLAY BALL.. at least show up and try to make things better.. i for 1 always enjoy Mr Bass ,, for a few years LC would show up and cook lunch for everyone.. but when they put the Mr Bass TX 4 hours away, it make's it rough to foot the Bill for Gas and Lunch.. hope they bring it back this way before ,, we always have fun cooking for all the Guys
There are some states, like Minnesota for instance, that to make the state team, rather than fish a qualifier, it is determined by how you do fishing in your club events. How do you think club participation would be then? I think I would like that format as it would get a lot of the good anglers in our club to fish the club rather than just fish the qualifiers and I love fishing against the better competition in our club, but most of them don't fish the club anymore.
A dual or 3 way system of fishing the club, Mr. Bass, and a qualifier to determine your state team would be an interesting approach. I think it would boost participation in your club. I think taking Mr. Bass away is just another nail in the coffin of club participation, but would be possible if the state team was determined by your club rankings for the year. Just my .02. I'm with Kyle on this one, but would be open to new ideas.
Drove back from the meeting last night. Please let me make a few points. First would be to get your club invoved in the KBFN decision making process by having a Rep at the business meetings. Any club or member can make points on message boards, email, over coffee etc. (and communication is good) but ultimately it is casting a vote that will keep traditions or institute change. Second is the tournament changes, I really, really, really dislike making changes to set schedules, but stuff happens. There are 30 adult and 6 youth clubs affiliated with KBFN. Now if each one holds 6 tournaments thats 216 weekends. Add the 9 KBFN dates and you get 225. I won't even try to figure in all the other circuits out there. There are 30 weekends from April to October. Subtacting Holidays leaves 25 weekends. Do the math and guess what, no matter what I did I was going to step on somebodies toes. I appologize, but do the math. Third let me go back to the KBFN meeting. We spent A LOT of time on the Mr. BASS and State Qualifier issue. It was one of the best meetings I have been to in the last 7 years in that members spoke well to the issues, at times it was evident that members were voicing deep seated beliefs, but at all times the members remained divil and professional. Thanks to the members who were there for a job well done. Finally look for PROPOSALS concerning the Mr. BASS and State Qualifier. Those should be coming to your Club presidents. Thanks Brad V.
As Brad said we had a good meeting Saturday. We've worked out several different options that will be out soon, and will be decided upon at Mr. Bass in June. I'm the knucklehead that proposed that we eliminate Mr. Bass from the qualifying process. And that's all it was, a proposal. I didn't say, I'm the tournament director, this is the way it's going to be, I don't care what you guys want. My only problem with the current system is that while most clubs have a difficult path to Mr. Bass, a few don't. It's not an even playing field. That's it. If it were up to me, everyone would qualify the same way, in a three day total weight tournament, the same format that the qualifiers will be competing in as the move on to divisionals, the federation championship, and the Classic. But it's not up to me. Each club gets input and a vote. That's why I don't understand this idea of,"they'll do whatever they want". As Larry and Brad said, if you don't like the way things are, get involved, we welcome your input and help.
Jeff Nolte
KBFN Tournament Director
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Basswacker »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> everyone would qualify the same way, in a three day total weight tournament, the same format that the qualifiers will be competing in as the move on to divisionals, the federation championship, and the Classic. But it's not up to me. Each club gets input and a vote. That's why I don't understand this idea of,"they'll do whatever they want". As Larry and Brad said, if you don't like the way things are, get involved, we welcome your input and help.
Jeff Nolte
KBFN Tournament Director</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok I have read as much of this as I can stomach......Guys I am no Federation hater...I beleive you guys work hard at making it a good organization but communication with the club leadership sucks. The new website was suppose to be the answer but that hasn't worked out either. The clubs make recommendations through the club president reference the state team and youth qualifiers but nothing changes. It is always to hard....blah...blah...blah. Well with the limitted number of youth clubs and there corresponding adult club sponsors it doesn't sound like it would be to hard to communicate with them while developing the youth qualifier schedule. Or maybe let them know in Oct of the precceedingyear what weekends and what months you are planning next years events. As far as the qualifier....How many times are we going to have the qualifier on Grand lake. Sure those guys down in the S and SE part of the state love it....its there home lake. There are other options. When the largest most active bass club in the freakin state feels like it is getting very little support from the state federation there just might be an issue.......other than not being involved enough in federation business.
Peace out..........
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Basswacker »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As Brad said we had a good meeting Saturday. We've worked out several different options that will be out soon, and will be decided upon at Mr. Bass in June. I'm the knucklehead that proposed that we eliminate Mr. Bass from the qualifying process. And that's all it was, a proposal. I didn't say, I'm the tournament director, this is the way it's going to be, I don't care what you guys want. My only problem with the current system is that while most clubs have a difficult path to Mr. Bass, a few don't. It's not an even playing field. That's it. If it were up to me, everyone would qualify the same way, in a three day total weight tournament, the same format that the qualifiers will be competing in as the move on to divisionals, the federation championship, and the Classic. But it's not up to me. Each club gets input and a vote. That's why I don't understand this idea of,"they'll do whatever they want". As Larry and Brad said, if you don't like the way things are, get involved, we welcome your input and help.
Jeff Nolte
KBFN Tournament Director</TD></TR></TABLE>
Jeff I totally agree with you...if you want your State Champion to be the best fisherman it should be decided at the qualifier in a 3-day format. Mr. Bass is a one day tournament that will not always get you the best of the best from different clubs. I don't know what the answer as its been discussed in many different venues.
My opinon again, here we go.If you really want to find out how to get the best team out of the qualifiers. Hold it on a Kansas lake I don't care which one. Reason being if you can bring in a limit every day on a three day event on a Kansas lake your pretty damn good because our lakes get very tough to consistently catch fish. Given you can say well the locals will be the ones bring in the fish well that's true but were going to have locals no matter what, if we fish Grand, Wilson, Milford, etc. Another point to make eastern clubs want to have the qualifier in Missouri I don't see any point to this whether it is in Oklahoma or Missouri, Nebraska, unless the divisional is going to be in that state and if so hold it on the lake the divisional is going to be on. Makes more sense give our guys more of a chance to get to know the lake and win the divisional instead of the locals kicking our butts. I thought the TBF made a good choice having it on Truman were the divisional was going to be the following year. Don't get me wrong I like fishing Grand and can't wait to actually use my new boat there this year. But by having the qualifier at Grand every year can you truthfully tell me your getting the best team possible. Come on, the majority of the people that make the team down there are the one's who fish it every weekend.
Another point people can say all I do or other people do is just talk about it but never do anything or never give any input. Here I am let me know what I can do to help and I will. I may not go to Federation meetings but I do participate in my clubs and do fish qualifiers. So let me know. By the way I'm not complaining just offering input. I know you can't please everyone.
Well i guess i've listen to this BS about as long as i'm going to.... would someone enlighten me as to whats the date the KBCFN officers take there office for the year.. as far as the Youth Dates go,, we got the Dates and we deal with them .. if we need to make changes we do.. ( Might not like it but we do) i guess some of us got our Priority straight when it comes to our youth clubs... it's too bad that some kids will have to stay at home because of people not wanting to make changes.. as far as the State Qualifiers go ,, i for one think they need to be held somewhere besides Grand every year.. i know why the do it . but that's another story..
Modified by bigfishingstud at 7:22 AM 3/3/2010
I was at the meeting on Saturday as well. It went quite well except for a few unnecessary outbursts. No one on the board has a "holier than thou" complex and does what "they" want. They collectively review all input and opinions on every matter and then put forth the proposals for vote. It's quite funny that people who don't get what they want, want to stand back and throw rocks. How are we supposed to support our youth and pass on this tradition of bass fishing if we put ourselves first and throw a tantrum about the dates for the kids qualifers. It's kind of difficult for a guy to put a schedule out in October when he didn't even have the job until November. Times are tough these days as it is. We don't need to start tearing apart the federation ourselves. I know this may sound repetitive, but we all have an equal say on what goes on, and if you don't show up, don't complain. Fishing is supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be about nature, comraderie, and the spirit of competition. Let's all work together to make everyone happy.
I couldn't agree more with you Matt, but we all know that we can't make everyone happy.
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