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    #41
    Quote Originally Posted by mike petro View Post
    If they were smart, the top 10 would fish the Angelina south of Rayburn.
    No. That place isnt any good.

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    I guess the with the length of the ohio river it's hard saying if there has been any recent stocking. I think the last few years the smallmouth numbers have grown. Team tournament take 10-12lbs in spring and slightly less during summer. There are 4-5lb fish weighed in pretty often. Depending on where it went out of the length of runs either direction could spread the field alot and would see all 3 species play for sure.

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    #43
    The way BASS has abandoned everything west of Oklahoma is appalling. And, the price to get an Elite series tournament drops every year and is almost inconsequential at this point. Instead, BASS is just comfortable with, what, the same dozen locations on a rotational basis. But, back to the original question, the Colorado River, CA Delta and Columbia River are all better than the Sabine’s best day on their worst day.

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    #44
    Quote Originally Posted by WarEagle24 View Post
    I would love to see an Elite tournament on the Ohio river just to see if it's as bad as people say it is.
    If they go out of Paducah it can be good below the dams.

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    #45
    Quote Originally Posted by skeeter21ohio View Post
    I guess the with the length of the ohio river it's hard saying if there has been any recent stocking. I think the last few years the smallmouth numbers have grown. Team tournament take 10-12lbs in spring and slightly less during summer. There are 4-5lb fish weighed in pretty often. Depending on where it went out of the length of runs either direction could spread the field alot and would see all 3 species play for sure.
    Does one of the bordering state stock bass in the Ohio River? I seriously doubt that Ohio does. heck, we can't get them to stock any bass in any lake, unless it's the small put and take lakes that are only fished by bank fishermen. Our DNR only cares about walleye and muskie in the larger public reservoirs.
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    #46
    Upper Chesapeake bay is a really good fishery
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    #47
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    Mobile delta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshman View Post
    So, why is the Ohio river so bad? Has there ever been any kind of stocking efforts? I mean if it’s just so bad for so long, it’s never going to get any better without help…. Nobody cares? Is it bad water quality and a lost cause?
    Many of the spawning areas are too silted. The Ohio used to be an open sewer. Much cleaner now. Gizzard and Threadfin shad are the main food source and are so thick in the fall you can walk across them.

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    #49
    Quote Originally Posted by kry29 View Post
    No. That place isnt any good.
    yeah, you’re right. What was I thinking?

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    #50
    California Delta, Clearlake, Shasta Lake, Columbia River system. If you are a professional, you should be able to travel. I worked the stage when they were out here with then, Trip Weldon for the Duel in the Delta I think in 2010. Which was won by Aaron Martin, Paul Elies went home after the first day. Granted its long ways from home but some of those guys have never been on these waters.

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    #51
    Are there really that many river systems out there that wouldn't take more than 6.5#/day to cash a check? I'd be hard pressed to think of a worse location than the Sabine honestly. I can go walk the canals here at the start of the mohawk and easily catch that in 2 hours and I would never accuse the fishing there of being good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by west_tn View Post
    Put them in the Mississippi River at Memphis and weigh-in at the Bass Pro Pyramid.
    Agree, FLW did it, Klein won a couple of those and they were very interesting. However, on one, there was a strong wind blowing upstream and a lot of anglers tore up equipment or had to be trailered back, just part of the game that makes it more interesting IMO. The Arkansas is still just fair, just like with most rivers, no habitat improvement projects, just the AGFC stocking some.

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    #53
    Bring them to SE. Louisiana marsh area. you can run all over south Louisiana. Their are several river systems, and all the marsh area a person could want. You also would have to work through the Redfish and Trout to get your limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpd500 View Post
    Bring them to SE. Louisiana marsh area. you can run all over south Louisiana. Their are several river systems, and all the marsh area a person could want. You also would have to work through the Redfish and Trout to get your limit.
    If I am not mistaken, BASS is staying out of Louisiana due to the gated canals and trespass issue. I don't recall all the details, some on here can give you more info. I do agree with BASS on this one.

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    Lots of opinions and everyone pushing their favorite areas into the mix. Realize that Bassmaster sought to level the platform with different types of fishing and remove some of the FFS controversy. Sabine River was seen as a struggle and an area without the large fish catches. An area where fish would lurk and feather into the underwater structure, making FFS less relevant.

    That’s why they did a Sabine River, Pasquotank River and etc…

    We hope they continue that trend and don’t make everything a slugfest on regulated lakes like Lake Fork was. None of us could legally weighin what was recorded at Lake Fork, because of that slot limit. If another venue similar exists, we hope they split the schedule and go there.

    My feelings are, that Paul Eias’s and Dean Rojas’s records should not be compromised by fish that must be released and thus it’s probable they are released fish. These are both amazing accomplishments by these men. And both I’m glad to call friends. Let someone beat them on a body of water where a catch release format is not present.

    A record from a Pasquotank River type venue would have been an amazing feat.

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    #56
    For those Western angler comments:
    As for the west coast, that continually is injected into schedule conversations. No one has spent more time and effort out west than we have, and not just the last 10 years. We worked to jump start the flailing WON Bass US Open, which was paltry in participation when we came in. Before that we were supporting BBT which focused around the Bay and Delta area. We entered WWBT that failed, and desperately tried to grow that template with the APEX Tour. From there we supported ABA an and the Sutherland’s efforts. And later we have entered with the BAM Series and Pro Tour. We currently have four operating structure we support out west. About 25-30 Years ago we supported the old Anglers Choice western template that was another failed western structure.

    We traveled to compete at Powell, Mead, Havasu, Shasta, The Delta and more in those years that Bassmaster tried to accommodate those same pleas of west coast anglers. I personally dug to find those Oregon, Whiskey Town, Thermalito Upper Bay, Trinity and similar locations off the beaten path for fresh events. While the west has tremendously developed in so many ways, it also has regressed in others. The share of freshwater fishing products sales out west has fallen since 2022.

    West Coast anglers always have had a wait and see attitude for those that come in to offer them a venue. The Toyota Series is an example of that as they wait and see if something will stick. If you don’t fish those events others bring in, they won’t stick. These same vacillating support trends have been out west for decades and it extends through products.

    Relationships out west have been tied to those western stake holders. Thats who they know, and have known, so a dealership aligned to selling “X” brand gets those customer nods. The sponsorships of an “A” brand often are not in those dealerships, so those brands struggle in a very minimal market. People support those tackle stores, products and retailers they always have known. Nothing wrong with that, though those companies have not given the western anglers the angling platforms they want. California has to learn that supporting those that offer them a venue will extend their participation in that western fishing culture.

    The largest two western boat markets are AZ and CA. California is almost 40 million (40,000,000) people approximately, while here in Arkansas it’s 3.8million. Arkansas is a larger marine and fresh water fishing market than California. Texas remains the largest and dwarfs all others. Lots has came out of those Cali’ markets for fishing and the Japanese influence spun off those areas. Those western bait and tackle companies have certainly been involved in that.

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    #57
    Quote Originally Posted by cpd500 View Post
    Bring them to SE. Louisiana marsh area. you can run all over south Louisiana. Their are several river systems, and all the marsh area a person could want. You also would have to work through the Redfish and Trout to get your limit.
    Nah, bassmaster will not come to south Louisiana again….. too much controversial private versus public waters…. Louisiana is stupid with perfectly navigable water with “public” fish in it but it’s “private”.. no signs, or gates required…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lcp3557 View Post
    Mobile delta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Pierce View Post
    For those Western angler comments:
    As for the west coast, that continually is injected into schedule conversations. No one has spent more time and effort out west than we have, and not just the last 10 years. We worked to jump start the flailing WON Bass US Open, which was paltry in participation when we came in. Before that we were supporting BBT which focused around the Bay and Delta area. We entered WWBT that failed, and desperately tried to grow that template with the APEX Tour. From there we supported ABA an and the Sutherland’s efforts. And later we have entered with the BAM Series and Pro Tour. We currently have four operating structure we support out west. About 25-30 Years ago we supported the old Anglers Choice western template that was another failed western structure.

    We traveled to compete at Powell, Mead, Havasu, Shasta, The Delta and more in those years that Bassmaster tried to accommodate those same pleas of west coast anglers. I personally dug to find those Oregon, Whiskey Town, Thermalito Upper Bay, Trinity and similar locations off the beaten path for fresh events. While the west has tremendously developed in so many ways, it also has regressed in others. The share of freshwater fishing products sales out west has fallen since 2022.

    West Coast anglers always have had a wait and see attitude for those that come in to offer them a venue. The Toyota Series is an example of that as they wait and see if something will stick. If you don’t fish those events others bring in, they won’t stick. These same vacillating support trends have been out west for decades and it extends through products.

    Relationships out west have been tied to those western stake holders. Thats who they know, and have known, so a dealership aligned to selling “X” brand gets those customer nods. The sponsorships of an “A” brand often are not in those dealerships, so those brands struggle in a very minimal market. People support those tackle stores, products and retailers they always have known. Nothing wrong with that, though those companies have not given the western anglers the angling platforms they want. California has to learn that supporting those that offer them a venue will extend their participation in that western fishing culture.

    The largest two western boat markets are AZ and CA. California is almost 40 million (40,000,000) people approximately, while here in Arkansas it’s 3.8million. Arkansas is a larger marine and fresh water fishing market than California. Texas remains the largest and dwarfs all others. Lots has came out of those Cali’ markets for fishing and the Japanese influence spun off those areas. Those western bait and tackle companies have certainly been involved in that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjvana37 View Post
    California Delta, Clearlake, Shasta Lake, Columbia River system. If you are a professional, you should be able to travel. I worked the stage when they were out here with then, Trip Weldon for the Duel in the Delta I think in 2010. Which was won by Aaron Martin, Paul Elies went home after the first day. Granted its long ways from home but some of those guys have never been on these waters.
    BASS is probably not going to come back to California because the two main draws is Clear Lake and the Delta. The city of Stockton can't afford to pay the tribute money to BASS any more. Its ramp was right on the San Joaquin River that has more than ample launching and parking for all the competitors, support staff, and spectators. It also had the large indoor arena for the final day weigh in. Sacramento was the only city with all the facilities to host the BASS Delta tournament and willing to pay the last time Bass came to the Delta. The problem with Sacramento is the competitors had to launch out of the Discovery Park launching area which is approximately a 60 mile one way/ 120 mile round trip to hit the San Joaquin River. With Clear Lake, the only launching area with enough ramps and parking that BASS used in the past is Red Bud Park. The city of Clear Lake can't pay the tribute money to BASS like the city of Stockton with the Delta. There are many good fisheries out West for Bass, like the Columbia River, Shasta, and Berryessa, but Clear Lake or the Delta has to be in the mix.
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