Take Scoping Away And The Kids Still Kick A**

[Ski Tar]

LOL....kid who won Fork last week scoping is in 99th place on a body of water where scope doesn't play......alrighty then with your brilliant theory

You are correct, however all these "scopers" are currently above the cut line.

Taku Ito, Beau Browning, Easton Fothergill, Jay Przekurat, Tyler Williams, JT Thompkins, Robert Gee, Alex Redwine, Justin Hamner, Ben Millikin, Matty Wong, Logan Parks, and Kyoya Fujita with Trey McKinney and Patrick Walters right at the cut line. Almost all of those guys came up through college fishing in recent years and have had keyboard warriors say something along the lines of "these young guys wouldn't know what to do if you took FFS away from them".

So much for your brilliant observation!!!

[kef]

I feel like you are contradicting yourself here.

You described the "old days", where you talked about how much time must be invested to learn techniques, bodies of water, etc...

Then you claim these "kids" these days are so much better because they have had so much time and experience. If you are trying to say its because youth fishing has grown so much over the years, well I can get on board with that maybe. However, it makes much more sense to me that they are fast-tracking the knowledge curve with FFS.

Do you not think that the younger fisherman are able to learn so much faster BECAUSE of FFS? Is this not what rubs the old timers wrong? The idea that the younger generation doesn't have to put in the same amount of time and effort to acquire the same amount of knowledge?

Whether or not you agree, I feel that FFS has cut the learning curve to more of a tiny bump.

[Greasyeasy]

You are correct, however all these "scopers" are currently above the cut line.

Taku Ito, Beau Browning, Easton Fothergill, Jay Przekurat, Tyler Williams, JT Thompkins, Robert Gee, Alex Redwine, Justin Hamner, Ben Millikin, Matty Wong, Logan Parks, and Kyoya Fujita with Trey McKinney and Patrick Walters right at the cut line. Almost all of those guys came up through college fishing in recent years and have had keyboard warriors say something along the lines of "these young guys wouldn't know what to do if you took FFS away from them".

So much for your brilliant observation!!!

Oh I thought you meant kids, not adults. Half the people you listed are over 25 big brain genius

[basshammerwannabe]

I feel like you are contradicting yourself here.

You described the "old days", where you talked about how much time must be invested to learn techniques, bodies of water, etc...

Then you claim these "kids" these days are so much better because they have had so much time and experience. If you are trying to say its because youth fishing has grown so much over the years, well I can get on board with that maybe. However, it makes much more sense to me that they are fast-tracking the knowledge curve with FFS.

Do you not think that the younger fisherman are able to learn so much faster BECAUSE of FFS? Is this not what rubs the old timers wrong? The idea that the younger generation doesn't have to put in the same amount of time and effort to acquire the same amount of knowledge?

Whether or not you agree, I feel that FFS has cut the learning curve to more of a tiny bump.

i think its the high school/college fishing has a lot to do with it.. lots of these young kids were good coming out of college before FFS.. Now with FFS The kids are getting "coached/taught" but now that FFS has come along they are taking what they've learned being coached/taught and using that along with the FFS they are so good at learning and using.. and now that FFS is takin over, its all these young kids are going to have to learn unless something changes

[kef]

i think its the high school/college fishing has a lot to do with it.. lots of these young kids were good coming out of college before FFS.. The kids are getting "coached/taught" but now that FFS has come along they are taking what they've learned being coached/taught and using that along with the FFS they are so good at learning and using..

Yeah I can definitely agree with this, I've seen youth fishing explode just in my area over the past 5-10 years. I think its a bit of a nuanced situation. It's a combination of factors that include technology and younger guys affinity for using it. I grew up playing video games, so FFS as a concept came pretty easy for me. However, FFS is not the magic that leads to being a "pro" (atleast for me it's not haha).

[basshammerwannabe]

Yeah I can definitely agree with this, I've seen youth fishing explode just in my area over the past 5-10 years. I think its a bit of a nuanced situation. It's a combination of factors that include technology and younger guys affinity for using it. I grew up playing video games, so FFS as a concept came pretty easy for me. However, FFS is not the magic that leads to being a "pro" (atleast for me it's not haha).

I mean its for sure a FFS game.. other then this sabine tournament when do they need to know how to "fish". and the Sabine Humbles a lot of the old "fishermen" too.. Long as FFS is legal its going to be the name of the game so i dont blame them for learning it the best they can.

Look at the pitchers in baseball now if you cant throw 100mph then you might as well give up for the most part.. how many guys threw 100mph 20-30 and + years ago .. who doesnt throw 100 now is an easier answer

[Ski Tar]

Oh I thought you meant kids, not adults. Half the people you listed are over 25 big brain genius

Well over half of them are less than 25 but when I say young I mean less then 5 years on tour and known as a "scoper" but I shouldn't have had to explain something so blatantly obvious, to a man of your superior intellect.

[basshammerwannabe]

Well over half of them are less than 25 but when I say young I mean less then 5 years on tour and known as a "scoper" but I shouldn't have had to explain something so blatantly obvious, to a man of your superior intellect.

i know what ya meant

[Ski Tar]

Damn, I was just offering an explanation on how the young guys find so much early success these days. An explanation other than just ignorantly saying it's FFS.

[kef]

I mean its for sure a FFS game.. other then this sabine tournament when do they need to know how to "fish". and the Sabine Humbles a lot of the old "fishermen" too.. Long as FFS is legal its going to be the name of the game so i dont blame them for learning it the best they can.

Look at the pitchers in baseball now if you cant throw 100mph then you might as well give up for the most part.. how many guys threw 100mph 20-30 and + years ago .. who doesnt throw 100 now is an easier answer

100% If you want to compete for checks, you better get on the FFS game no matter how old you are. Castledine has some nice recent videos on this concept, which seems like common sense to me.

These guys are competitors. Are you really gonna sit by and watch everyone else succeed and win $$ with FFS while you hold on to your idea of what fishing should be, hell no. I don't think any negativity should be directed at anglers for using it, they have to if they want to compete.

I do also believe that FFS has a part in why the younger guys are good at an early age, along with expanded youth fishing opportunities. I think we need a bit more time with the new formats that MLF and NPFL are using to really determine if FFS is the only reason the younger guys are winning.

[Ski Tar]

I feel like you are contradicting yourself here.

You described the "old days", where you talked about how much time must be invested to learn techniques, bodies of water, etc...

Then you claim these "kids" these days are so much better because they have had so much time and experience. If you are trying to say its because youth fishing has grown so much over the years, well I can get on board with that maybe. However, it makes much more sense to me that they are fast-tracking the knowledge curve with FFS.

Do you not think that the younger fisherman are able to learn so much faster BECAUSE of FFS? Is this not what rubs the old timers wrong? The idea that the younger generation doesn't have to put in the same amount of time and effort to acquire the same amount of knowledge?

Whether or not you agree, I feel that FFS has cut the learning curve to more of a tiny bump.

What I am saying is that that in the old days, a guy had to spend his time and money, once he reached the tour, level learning how to catch bass in all the different types of fisheries around the country. More often than not, he would run out of money before he got the experience to be really competitive on the array of fisheries he was having to compete on. Todays, young guys have already gone through that learning curve, fishing all over the country, in college before they fish their first open, much less their first tour level event. FSS is just something they have been given to more efficiently learn those different types of fisheries. Keep in mind that the tour level guys had the same access to FFS technology that the young guys had and they had that access coupled with their years of experience. The older tour level guys should be ahead of that curve but they're not. FFS is not giving these kids the knowledge, that took years to acquire, for the older guys. If anything, it is teaching them that a lot of the "knowledge" the old guys have is complete BS.

[1958]

Haven't seen any of the Sabine tournament but why do you say ffs is not a factor?

[StretcherJockey]

Some of them, sure. All of them? Absolutely not.

[Roy123]

What I am saying is that that in the old days, a guy had to spend his time and money, once he reached the tour, level learning how to catch bass in all the different types of fisheries around the country. More often than not, he would run out of money before he got the experience to be really competitive on the array of fisheries he was having to compete on. Todays, young guys have already gone through that learning curve, fishing all over the country, in college before they fish their first open, much less their first tour level event. FSS is just something they have been given to more efficiently learn those different types of fisheries. Keep in mind that the tour level guys had the same access to FFS technology that the young guys had and they had that access coupled with their years of experience. The older tour level guys should be ahead of that curve but they're not. FFS is not giving these kids the knowledge, that took years to acquire, for the older guys. If anything, it is teaching them that a lot of the "knowledge" the old guys have is complete BS.

You mention everybody being a keyboard warrior then make a comment about the veterans knowledge being BS. WOW

[Shicknicky]

True story here. I am fishing out of my 18yo nephew's Ranger because he gave it to me when he got his BassCat.

It has everything to do with time on the water and that is being handed to so many with stuff like my newphew.

[kef]

What I am saying is that that in the old days, a guy had to spend his time and money, once he reached the tour, level learning how to catch bass in all the different types of fisheries around the country. More often than not, he would run out of money before he got the experience to be really competitive on the array of fisheries he was having to compete on. Todays, young guys have already gone through that learning curve, fishing all over the country, in college before they fish their first open, much less their first tour level event. FSS is just something they have been given to more efficiently learn those different types of fisheries. Keep in mind that the tour level guys had the same access to FFS technology that the young guys had and they had that access coupled with their years of experience. The older tour level guys should be ahead of that curve but they're not. FFS is not giving these kids the knowledge, that took years to acquire, for the older guys. If anything, it is teaching them that a lot of the "knowledge" the old guys have is complete BS.

Yeah, I think you are spot on. Most of the old timers seemed to be reluctant on learning FFS for way too long, and now have been left behind. However, and this is just my opinion, I feel like the younger generation does have a slight advantage when it comes to dialing in the FFS stuff. I'm not saying that the old timers can't put in the time and become as efficient with FFS, because they can and should. Technology is always advancing, and at the end of the day you better jump on board.

There is another topic on what is more "fun" and "pure", but that is an entirely different discussion IMO.

[PsuHntr]

LOL....kid who won Fork last week scoping is in 99th place on a body of water where scope doesn't play......alrighty then with your brilliant theory

and BP blanked on day one…soooooooo

[basshammerwannabe]

and BP blanked on day one…soooooooo

wait.. the guy who Won Okeechobee and has won numerous times blanked? and AOY twice aint no way

[Bwh]

It amazes me the young men are called kids. 50 years ago 19 year old and up were commanding Armored Personnel Carriers in the jungles of Vietnam.They were men not kids. At 21 I was a Buck Sgt commanding a M60A1 Main combat tank with a 3 man crew.we were men not kids.

[Classicxl]

Damn, I was just offering an explanation on how the young guys find so much early success these days. An explanation other than just ignorantly saying it's FFS.

Pay no attention to them. Early onset old timers runs rampant here.