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    Take Scoping Away And The Kids Still Kick A**

    All the talk, over the last few years, has been that the young guys on tour couldn't catch bass without FFS. Well, well, well it looks like the top 50 cut a the Sabine is going littered with those "SCOPERS" in a tournament where FFS is not a factor at all. I've been saying all along that these kids would still be at the top without scope and it turns out, that is in fact the case and let me tell you why!

    In the old days, a guy would find a good bit of success at the local level and then make a run at the Opens but still stay in his region. If he was good enough, in his region, he might get a shot at the top level. Once he was there, as a rookie on tour, it would take him a few years to learn how to catch bass outside of his region. He had to learn, herring fisheries, tidal fisheries, ledge fisheries, river run fisheries, northern smallmouth fisheries, shallow grass fisheries, Deep clear mountain fisheries, etc.. If he was fortunate enough to figure all this things out, well enough to be competitive, before he ran out of money, then he might make it as a tour level "PRO". He was going to struggle for a few years until he had "paid his dues".

    In todays world, these kids have been fishing on a highly competitive level since they were in junior high school. They fish 100+ boat tournaments starting in middle school. They move on to high school where they mostly fish locally but do move on to fish large scale high school events in a regional and national level. Then the best of those move on to fish in college where they are traveling all over the country fishing in 250+ boat events in every one of the types of fisheries mentioned above. The best of those move on to fish the opens where they are MUCH more prepared than the majority of their competitors. These kids show up at the opens with 4-5 years of national tour experience under their belt. And those 4-5 years of college fishing were spent going to class and fishing multiple days a week. Trust me when I say, these kids are VERY experienced and are really good at everything including FFS. Lets face it, everyone has FFS, so if FFS was such an easy thing to do, the entire field would be catching 30lb bags but that is simply not the case. These kids are really good with FFS because they had the time, on the water, to learn it, but trust me they learned a lot more than FFS with all those day on the water.

    Love it or hate it, bass fishing has become just like any other professional sport, in that, the only real path to the top goes through high school, then college participation. It is the only path that allows someone to acquire that level of experience, at a young age, for very little expense. The days of the working man making it to top, with or without FSS, are going to become a very rare thing. The old saying "stay in school" now applies to bass fishing.

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    I can't believe you took the time to type all that

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassnpro1 View Post
    I can't believe you took the time to type all that
    No kidding.
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    I can't believe you took the time to type all that
    Took less than 10 minutes and I'm terrible at typing.

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    Well, if I ever find the question I will have the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ski Tar View Post
    All the talk, over the last few years, has been that the young guys on tour couldn't catch bass without FFS. Well, well, well it looks like the top 50 cut a the Sabine is going littered with those "SCOPERS" in a tournament where FFS is not a factor at all. I've been saying all along that these kids would still be at the top without scope and it turns out, that is in fact the case and let me tell you why!

    In the old days, a guy would find a good bit of success at the local level and then make a run at the Opens but still stay in his region. If he was good enough, in his region, he might get a shot at the top level. Once he was there, as a rookie on tour, it would take him a few years to learn how to catch bass outside of his region. He had to learn, herring fisheries, tidal fisheries, ledge fisheries, river run fisheries, northern smallmouth fisheries, shallow grass fisheries, Deep clear mountain fisheries, etc.. If he was fortunate enough to figure all this things out, well enough to be competitive, before he ran out of money, then he might make it as a tour level "PRO". He was going to struggle for a few years until he had "paid his dues".

    In todays world, these kids have been fishing on a highly competitive level since they were in junior high school. They fish 100+ boat tournaments starting in middle school. They move on to high school where they mostly fish locally but do move on to fish large scale high school events in a regional and national level. Then the best of those move on to fish in college where they are traveling all over the country fishing in 250+ boat events in every one of the types of fisheries mentioned above. The best of those move on to fish the opens where they are MUCH more prepared than the majority of their competitors. These kids show up at the opens with 4-5 years of national tour experience under their belt. And those 4-5 years of college fishing were spent going to class and fishing multiple days a week. Trust me when I say, these kids are VERY experienced and are really good at everything including FFS. Lets face it, everyone has FFS, so if FFS was such an easy thing to do, the entire field would be catching 30lb bags but that is simply not the case. These kids are really good with FFS because they had the time, on the water, to learn it, but trust me they learned a lot more than FFS with all those day on the water.

    Love it or hate it, bass fishing has become just like any other professional sport, in that, the only real path to the top goes through high school, then college participation. It is the only path that allows someone to acquire that level of experience, at a young age, for very little expense. The days of the working man making it to top, with or without FSS, are going to become a very rare thing. The old saying "stay in school" now applies to bass fishing.
    Yep & the high school fishing it’s unreal when it comes to information networking to know what’s other need to be doing to catch fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexus VX21 View Post
    Well, if I ever find the question I will have the answer.
    Can the young guys catch them without FFS and if so, how are they so good at a young age?

    Now you have the question and the answer. I hope that helps.

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    LOL....kid who won Fork last week scoping is in 99th place on a body of water where scope doesn't play......alrighty then with your brilliant theory

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    Growing up no one I knew could ever afford what these youngsters are getting to do. Just hope they appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yatesville88fan View Post
    Growing up no one I knew could ever afford what these youngsters are getting to do. Just hope they appreciate it.
    1000%, that's the biggest difference in the game right now.

    Back in the day, the bank of Mommy and Daddy weren't buying kids $100k+ rigs, $50k trucks, and the expense money needed to travel everywhere to fish. Years ago dudes would work for a few years and save money and then try to make their dream come true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassnpro1 View Post
    I can't believe you took the time to type all that

    I'm waiting for it to come out on Blu-ray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yatesville88fan View Post
    Growing up no one I knew could ever afford what these youngsters are getting to do. Just hope they appreciate it.
    That’s just because these kids are so much better, I swear. If your older generation only had the work ethic and grit these kids have…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigercat View Post
    That’s just because these kids are so much better, I swear. If your older generation only had the work ethic and grit these kids have…
    worng. Parents were too busy trying to put a roof over their heads and food on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigercat View Post
    That’s just because these kids are so much better, I swear. If your older generation only had the work ethic and grit these kids have…
    I worked 40 years in all kinds of weather laying gas mains. I know a little about work

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    I go back to what Rick Clunn said. FFS has taught us that everything we thought we knew and were teaching is wrong.
    Play that forward, and the kids coming up who started off with FFS from day one (2018), have learned from watching
    the scope and the lessons are real. They are the most up to date fisherman there are in many ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yatesville88fan View Post
    I worked 40 years in all kinds of weather laying gas mains. I know a little about work
    missed the sarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassnpro1 View Post
    I can't believe you took the time to type all that
    I can't believe you consider that a lot of text. It's a few short paragraphs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassnpro1 View Post
    missed the sarcasm
    Lol yep.. he knows what he was doing there... pretty big stir post right theer

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassnpro1 View Post
    missed the sarcasm
    If so I apologize

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigercat View Post
    That’s just because these kids are so much better, I swear. If your older generation only had the work ethic and grit these kids have…

    .. kind of is an open post though because work on the water is true these kids put timeless amount of hours fishing, that takes a lot of discipline to not do all the social things at that age and spend all your time on water.. they just arent doing the "work" part to get to enjoy it

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