Basscat project predator

[Junk Fisherman]

I would take a hard look at the Cougar SP package.

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I have looked at that package closely. 80K is just a limit I won't go past right now. I want a 19' boat but the Pantera feels like settling especially the Classic. If I were buying today a Lund ProV Bass or a Phoenix 919 would be tops on my list.

[mactlman]

[Rumour2u]

Why so many different 20 footers?

[mactlman]

Why so many different 20 footers?

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#110Today, 08:18 AM

I’ve seen all sorts of comments and all sorts of opinion opposing the direction of a typical floor plan, and we don’t need another 20’-21’ offering.

On the need for a 21’ offering: All we have to do is place a triangle nose piece and extend the bow more pointed by 4”-5”, and it’s a true 21’ boat. Being over 20’6” (20’ 7”) it classifies as a 21’ model. The Puma STS body, at the forward bow, is massive compared to many boats, and it’s a full 96” at rear. We notch the hull for fender clearance. A simple change to the nose would make it longer by the same configuration of you placing your thumbs and forefingers together in a triangle. It would add no benefit to fishing, requires more garage clearance, takes the trolling motor forward and alters the recess position while casting, and it changes the dynamics of how the boat fishes for many. It would give those wanting a 21’ an ability to say it’s 21 foot long, and nothing more. The running surface and bow area likely would not change. It reaches out no more, it’s just a moniker and that’s what many do.

For those wanting a 19’ Pantera modification, no matter the preference and opinion. We do know the Pantera Classic was targeted where many want more, we also know the Pantera II in the Classic style bow would fit some,with more fuel. The Pantera Classic is throttled in price by the design, if we change its build and design, the price tag eliminates ability to be affordable. Everyone is loading equipment today. We suggest you consider the Eyra hull and that price segment, SP Series or other, and even drop the engine to a 200. Of course that ego situation does limit people doing that today. People simply don’t want to own a boat under an accepted 250 HP on larger boats.

We have always been a niche company, catering to about 20% of the bass boat market. As the market has changed, compressed, and had attrition of builders, that 20% is shrunk. Intentionally I planned, for about 30 years, for the business to slide back to our model. Thus when we received the last 5 consecutive JD Power awards, we didn’t over expand production 20 years ago. The expansion in 2019 was limited and necessary as the boats, and adding slight growth in walleye boats (Yar-Craft), required more space. And the market has rotated back to us somewhat. Today we need to reach out to a more traditional demographic, as the market continues to rotate towards our template of production. And people seem to want quality today.

While the Lynx (project: Predator) has the more traditional storage of similarity to other brands, it’s for an appeal to those that are not Bass Cat owners and those Tour anglers that simply can’t use a dip net. Big boxes make sense to those that have all 3700 storage systems, not those that have varied tackle organization box sizes, like me for example. I have literally 7 different storage styles not including my plastics.

Thus the new Lynx STS is on the proven Puma STS hull, that same top cap styling the original Lynx started, the new splash-well that is absolutely proven in strength, and a few tweaks to cleats, front deck layout and seats for 2026 so to come.

Take your pick, and we know the 19’ could use a redesign. We also know how many fiberglass 19’ models all brands are registering, and the 18’ market is literally crushed. We do think there is room for a 19’ model that reaches between 18’ and 20’ with a little different setup.

Rick

[MichAngler]

I knew it was only a matter of time before they succumb to the large center locker craze AKA big box of mayhem after a rough ride

[Thamelau]

My 94 481VS Ranger was 21,000. That is just the Hull, Motor, Trailer, and hand-controlled MG TM. That is just over 48k today's dollars. Add 10k worth of electronics and a 4k TM and you have 62K for the boat. (481 was basically an 18 foot with built in Set back so they could call it a 19-footer and dump a 175 on it. (basically, a built-in set back plate) So that boat today would be 62k. Roughly what a decent 18 foot boat would run today.

Don't go using logic, reasoning, and math. Those aren't acceptable in these here parts!

[Rumour2u]

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#110Today, 08:18 AM

I’ve seen all sorts of comments and all sorts of opinion opposing the direction of a typical floor plan, and we don’t need another 20’-21’ offering.

On the need for a 21’ offering: All we have to do is place a triangle nose piece and extend the bow more pointed by 4”-5”, and it’s a true 21’ boat. Being over 20’6” (20’ 7”) it classifies as a 21’ model. The Puma STS body, at the forward bow, is massive compared to many boats, and it’s a full 96” at rear. We notch the hull for fender clearance. A simple change to the nose would make it longer by the same configuration of you placing your thumbs and forefingers together in a triangle. It would add no benefit to fishing, requires more garage clearance, takes the trolling motor forward and alters the recess position while casting, and it changes the dynamics of how the boat fishes for many. It would give those wanting a 21’ an ability to say it’s 21 foot long, and nothing more. The running surface and bow area likely would not change. It reaches out no more, it’s just a moniker and that’s what many do.

For those wanting a 19’ Pantera modification, no matter the preference and opinion. We do know the Pantera Classic was targeted where many want more, we also know the Pantera II in the Classic style bow would fit some,with more fuel. The Pantera Classic is throttled in price by the design, if we change its build and design, the price tag eliminates ability to be affordable. Everyone is loading equipment today. We suggest you consider the Eyra hull and that price segment, SP Series or other, and even drop the engine to a 200. Of course that ego situation does limit people doing that today. People simply don’t want to own a boat under an accepted 250 HP on larger boats.

We have always been a niche company, catering to about 20% of the bass boat market. As the market has changed, compressed, and had attrition of builders, that 20% is shrunk. Intentionally I planned, for about 30 years, for the business to slide back to our model. Thus when we received the last 5 consecutive JD Power awards, we didn’t over expand production 20 years ago. The expansion in 2019 was limited and necessary as the boats, and adding slight growth in walleye boats (Yar-Craft), required more space. And the market has rotated back to us somewhat. Today we need to reach out to a more traditional demographic, as the market continues to rotate towards our template of production. And people seem to want quality today.

While the Lynx (project: Predator) has the more traditional storage of similarity to other brands, it’s for an appeal to those that are not Bass Cat owners and those Tour anglers that simply can’t use a dip net. Big boxes make sense to those that have all 3700 storage systems, not those that have varied tackle organization box sizes, like me for example. I have literally 7 different storage styles not including my plastics.

Thus the new Lynx STS is on the proven Puma STS hull, that same top cap styling the original Lynx started, the new splash-well that is absolutely proven in strength, and a few tweaks to cleats, front deck layout and seats for 2026 so to come.

Take your pick, and we know the 19’ could use a redesign. We also know how many fiberglass 19’ models all brands are registering, and the 18’ market is literally crushed. We do think there is room for a 19’ model that reaches between 18’ and 20’ with a little different setup.

Rick

Thanks, im even more confused now. Can someone put that in English?

[Bill2e]

Thanks, im even more confused now. Can someone put that in English?

How hard is it to understand.

They have 2 - 20’ 7” STS Hulls Puma STS & Lynx STS

They are 20 foot models that fish like a 21.

One makes for sense for the recreational / low level Tx angler who could take advantage of the net storage

The other makes more sense for the non net using Tour angler who likes a traditional deck layout and uses 3700 boxes to store tackle.

One hull, two different choices. Just like the Puma / Cougar FTD of year past.

Not sure why this so difficult to understand.

Furthermore, don’t expect an inexpensive premium 18-19 foot model as it would cost nearly the same to build as a 20 foot boat.

For years NON - Bass Cat owners thought their boats were odd, didn’t fit their style and simply judged them without using them.

Bass Cat owners appreciate the quality or the boats and thoughtfulness of the designs. They have remained loyal to the brand.

This new design should appeal to both.

[nojretlas]

Thanks, im even more confused now. Can someone put that in English?

The 20' boats are basically a 21' boat without the useless 4-5" at the bow.
The Jaguar is 3" longer than the Ranger 521. REALLY a stupid argument IMO over 3" inches from the Jag and 5" from the Puma just to call your boat a 21 footer.

[nojretlas]

I have looked at that package closely. 80K is just a limit I won't go past right now. I want a 19' boat but the Pantera feels like settling especially the Classic. If I were buying today a Lund ProV Bass or a Phoenix 919 would be tops on my list.

You don't have to, I was at $79k for a well equipped Cougar SP. Drop some of my additions and you would be like $77k.

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[dean c]

Bill…I don’t like being called low level.

[Bill2e]

Bill…I don’t like being called low level.

Lol…….Well I have the net holder in mine if it makes you feel better.

Just wish I had a reason to take it out more.

Oh, I better head to Tackle Warehouse and buy some of the new Classic release baits. Maybe then I can catch them. It crazy, I put FFS on my boat, but yet the fish don’t just jump in. I actually have to find them first.

[nojretlas]

Lol…….Well I have the net holder in mine if it makes you feel better.

Just wish I had a reason to take it out more.

Oh, I better head to Tackle Warehouse and buy some of the new Classic release baits. Maybe then I can catch them. It crazy, I put FFS on my boat, but yet the fish don’t just jump in. I actually have to find them first.

Did you tell the fish that? Maybe they didn't know the have to jump in your boat, honesty is always best.

[Rumour2u]

How hard is it to understand.

They have 2 - 20’ 7” STS Hulls Puma STS & Lynx STS

They are 20 foot models that fish like a 21.

One makes for sense for the recreational / low level Tx angler who could take advantage of the net storage

The other makes more sense for the non net using Tour angler who likes a traditional deck layout and uses 3700 boxes to store tackle.

One hull, two different choices. Just like the Puma / Cougar FTD of year past.

Not sure why this so difficult to understand.

Furthermore, don’t expect an inexpensive premium 18-19 foot model as it would cost nearly the same to build as a 20 foot boat.

For years NON - Bass Cat owners thought their boats were odd, didn’t fit their style and simply judged them without using them.

Bass Cat owners appreciate the quality or the boats and thoughtfulness of the designs. They have remained loyal to the brand.

This new design should appeal to both.

So an 18 footer that does 80 is out of the question?

[Bill2e]

So an 18 footer that does 80 is out of the question?

Anything is possible with enough time and money.

[Highcentered]

Why so many different 20 footers?

Because you can't be competitive in anything less depending on who you ask.

[John B.]

Why so many different 20 footers?

Because that is what sells and that is what makes financial sense to build.

[vatreefarmer]

Why so many different 20 footers?

To justify all of the diesel pullers.

[Bill2e]

To justify all of the diesel pullers.

If you haven’t towed with one you should try it. You will never want to go back to a 1500 gas. Granted we only have the diesel because of the RV, but wow does it handle a bass boat like a champ.

[duncankopprichardson]

I am a fan. Now you can get a cat with a traditional layout. Puts them back in the market for people that want traditional layouts but basscat quality.