If Michigan Wins?

[School Master]

And yet…..there is still zero evidence that anyone other than Conor Stalions actually saw or benefitted from whatever video was taken. The NCAA was given full forensic access to Michigan’s computers, laptops, etc. and still nothing to suggest JH, or his coordinators, or position coaches were “in on it” or benefitted even indirectly. Absent such proof, your premise that the coaches “know exactly what was called and when” is just supposition.

Doesn't even matter. When we beat Alabama, it will be fair and square. If they beat Texas/Washington, that too will be FAS. Ohio... Pennsylvania State... yup fair and square. We cheated a little big deal, SEC honks calling Michigan cheaters has a little "kettle calling the pot black" feeling, if you know what I'm sayin.

No matter what we won't get credit, so lets just burn this thing down!

[BassDaggett]

The line every Michigan homer keeps using, trying to make it like in-person scouting was the issue. In person scouting is not the primary issue, the using of phones and possibly other video recording devices to capture the teams play call signals so they could then break that video down later and know exactly what was called and when is the issue. That is well beyond in person scouting.

Yes, those ultra high definition phone spy cameras! For sharts and giggles lets say Connor Stallions was able to decipher EVERY signal, play, audible, etc.... Consider the following:

1. Play clock is 40 seconds.
2. There is an amount of time between the end of the previous play and when the next play is called or 'signaled' into the Offense/Defense/etc. Lets say the OC is really quick to signal that to his play calling team and it only takes him 7 seconds. There is now 33 seconds on the play clock.
3. The signal callers (folks with the signs) need time to understand the call from the OC and put the correct sign up. Lets say these folks are super sharp and also wound up on energy drinks, so the time to analyze and execute the signal is 5 seconds. There is now 28 seconds on the play clock.
4. Super Sign Steal Stealer Connor Stallions is now ready to STEAL the sign. To the best of our knowledge, no computer or AI is involved in the sign stealing. Best guess is he has a 'Sign Stealing Playbook' similar to Coach Klein of 'Waterboy' fame. An amount of time elapses between when the signal is given with 28 seconds on the play clock and when Master Sign Stealer Connor Stallion is able to look across the field, recognize the signal, compare to 'Sign Stealing Playbook', decipher the signal. Lets say this takes 9 seconds for the Master Sign Stealer. There is now 19 seconds on the play clock.
5. Super Sign Steal Stealer Connor Stallions relays the Stolen Sign to the Defensive Coordinator (of which there is no evidence of), he is really fast at this and it only take him 3 seconds to explain (in the detail required) what play is coming next. There is now 16 seconds on the play clock.
6. The Defensive Coordinator now has to determine what Defense / Personnel is best suited to defend the Stolen Sign/Play. Jesse Minter is a former NFL Coach, so he is really sharp and really quick to make this analysis and issues the Correct Defensive Call in 4 seconds. There is now 12 seconds on the play clock.
7. The signal callers (folks with the signs) need time to understand the call from the DC and put the correct sign up. Lets say these folks are super sharp and also wound up on energy drinks, not to mention there are probably a lot less Defensive calls, so the time to analyze and execute the signal is 3 seconds. There is now 9 seconds on the play clock.
8. The Defense may have to switch personnel, but best case that doesn't happen and all they have to do is just understand the Defensive Call and get into proper position to defend the Stolen Sign/Play. Michigan has a lot of NFL athletes on Defense and therefore physically quick and fast, since they are attending a Big Ten School instead of the best paying 'Educational' Institute in the South, they quickly decipher the Defensive Play Call and are in position to defend the Stolen Sign/Play in 3 seconds. There is now 6 seconds on the play clock.


Seems foolproof and an absolute advantage if you are playing Iowa (Who has 4 run plays and 3 pass plays), but considering the 80th fastest tempo Offense ran 2.566 plays per minute or a play every 23.4 seconds (that includes the actual play time as well), doesn't seem very likely that Sign Stealing led to a competitive advantage (Which is what the NCAA has said on multiple occasions regarding In-person scouting)... I know, I'm just a complete Michigan homer, making up stuff as I go along and 'padding' all these analysis times. Lets say we keep all the other times and assume Connor Stallions is actually a cyborg sent back in time and has all the analysis/speed advantages of a computer processor and we essentially disregard the time he takes (say 0 seconds instead of the formulated 12 seconds), the players are ready with 18 seconds on the play clock exactly 1.4 seconds before the Offense snaps the ball (assuming the previous play took 0 seconds to run).

Yeah, there is a reason why more than a few DCs in the NFL and College have laughed the whole thing off. There just isn't time for all this nonsense to go on.

[robertboyd]

Wolverines!!!!

[Z-91]

Alabama vs Texas in the CFB Final.

...and who beat Bama in the regular season........

[Runsome]

Yes, those ultra high definition phone spy cameras! For sharts and giggles lets say Connor Stallions was able to decipher EVERY signal, play, audible, etc.... Consider the following:

1. Play clock is 40 seconds.
2. There is an amount of time between the end of the previous play and when the next play is called or 'signaled' into the Offense/Defense/etc. Lets say the OC is really quick to signal that to his play calling team and it only takes him 7 seconds. There is now 33 seconds on the play clock.
3. The signal callers (folks with the signs) need time to understand the call from the OC and put the correct sign up. Lets say these folks are super sharp and also wound up on energy drinks, so the time to analyze and execute the signal is 5 seconds. There is now 28 seconds on the play clock.
4. Super Sign Steal Stealer Connor Stallions is now ready to STEAL the sign. To the best of our knowledge, no computer or AI is involved in the sign stealing. Best guess is he has a 'Sign Stealing Playbook' similar to Coach Klein of 'Waterboy' fame. An amount of time elapses between when the signal is given with 28 seconds on the play clock and when Master Sign Stealer Connor Stallion is able to look across the field, recognize the signal, compare to 'Sign Stealing Playbook', decipher the signal. Lets say this takes 9 seconds for the Master Sign Stealer. There is now 19 seconds on the play clock.
5. Super Sign Steal Stealer Connor Stallions relays the Stolen Sign to the Defensive Coordinator (of which there is no evidence of), he is really fast at this and it only take him 3 seconds to explain (in the detail required) what play is coming next. There is now 16 seconds on the play clock.
6. The Defensive Coordinator now has to determine what Defense / Personnel is best suited to defend the Stolen Sign/Play. Jesse Minter is a former NFL Coach, so he is really sharp and really quick to make this analysis and issues the Correct Defensive Call in 4 seconds. There is now 12 seconds on the play clock.
7. The signal callers (folks with the signs) need time to understand the call from the DC and put the correct sign up. Lets say these folks are super sharp and also wound up on energy drinks, not to mention there are probably a lot less Defensive calls, so the time to analyze and execute the signal is 3 seconds. There is now 9 seconds on the play clock.
8. The Defense may have to switch personnel, but best case that doesn't happen and all they have to do is just understand the Defensive Call and get into proper position to defend the Stolen Sign/Play. Michigan has a lot of NFL athletes on Defense and therefore physically quick and fast, since they are attending a Big Ten School instead of the best paying 'Educational' Institute in the South, they quickly decipher the Defensive Play Call and are in position to defend the Stolen Sign/Play in 3 seconds. There is now 6 seconds on the play clock.


Seems foolproof and an absolute advantage if you are playing Iowa (Who has 4 run plays and 3 pass plays), but considering the 80th fastest tempo Offense ran 2.566 plays per minute or a play every 23.4 seconds (that includes the actual play time as well), doesn't seem very likely that Sign Stealing led to a competitive advantage (Which is what the NCAA has said on multiple occasions regarding In-person scouting)... I know, I'm just a complete Michigan homer, making up stuff as I go along and 'padding' all these analysis times. Lets say we keep all the other times and assume Connor Stallions is actually a cyborg sent back in time and has all the analysis/speed advantages of a computer processor and we essentially disregard the time he takes (say 0 seconds instead of the formulated 12 seconds), the players are ready with 18 seconds on the play clock exactly 1.4 seconds before the Offense snaps the ball (assuming the previous play took 0 seconds to run).

Yeah, there is a reason why more than a few DCs in the NFL and College have laughed the whole thing off. There just isn't time for all this nonsense to go on.

Brilliant! Michigan should’ve had you talk things over with Tony Pettiti before he hung that ridiculous suspension on JH.

[skeeterator]

...and who beat Bama in the regular season........

And no one outside the cousin lovin states down there want to see that rematch.

[School Master]

And no one outside the cousin lovin states down there want to see that rematch.

Ok... let's see here, where is the spit my milk all over the computer screen emoji?

[janky]

And no one outside the cousin lovin states down there want to see that rematch.

I am dying to see it.

[basser38]

I hate Michigan, that said I hope they beat the piss out of Alabama..they have an uphill battle because there also going to have to beat the officiating crew that the sec always seems to bring with it..

[mrlawler1]

I hate Michigan, that said I hope they beat the piss out of Alabama..they have an uphill battle because there also going to have to beat the officiating crew that the sec always seems to bring with it..

[MI bassassassin]

Michigan will be punished next year, could possibly vacate first 9 wins of the season. Harbaugh will be coaching in San Diego next and smiling as he is walking away from the fire that he started. All that love him this will be hating him next year. Time stamp this

Stick to your day job.

[MI bassassassin]

The line every Michigan homer keeps using, trying to make it like in-person scouting was the issue. In person scouting is not the primary issue, the using of phones and possibly other video recording devices to capture the teams play call signals so they could then break that video down later and know exactly what was called and when is the issue. That is well beyond in person scouting.

Yes because TV cameras aren’t video recording devices

[geodebasser]

Pat Forde writes: "As much as Alabama has improved, it has still needed its opponents to make big mistakes to win its last two games. The Crimson Tide needed Auburn to fumble a punt and then follow that up with a disastrous defensive scheme on fourth-and-31. They also needed Georgia to fumble a reverse deep in its own territory and doink a field goal off the upright after a pre-snap penalty. Guess who doesn’t do those things? Michigan. T

[MI bassassassin]

Yes, those ultra high definition phone spy cameras! For sharts and giggles lets say Connor Stallions was able to decipher EVERY signal, play, audible, etc.... Consider the following:

1. Play clock is 40 seconds.
2. There is an amount of time between the end of the previous play and when the next play is called or 'signaled' into the Offense/Defense/etc. Lets say the OC is really quick to signal that to his play calling team and it only takes him 7 seconds. There is now 33 seconds on the play clock.
3. The signal callers (folks with the signs) need time to understand the call from the OC and put the correct sign up. Lets say these folks are super sharp and also wound up on energy drinks, so the time to analyze and execute the signal is 5 seconds. There is now 28 seconds on the play clock.
4. Super Sign Steal Stealer Connor Stallions is now ready to STEAL the sign. To the best of our knowledge, no computer or AI is involved in the sign stealing. Best guess is he has a 'Sign Stealing Playbook' similar to Coach Klein of 'Waterboy' fame. An amount of time elapses between when the signal is given with 28 seconds on the play clock and when Master Sign Stealer Connor Stallion is able to look across the field, recognize the signal, compare to 'Sign Stealing Playbook', decipher the signal. Lets say this takes 9 seconds for the Master Sign Stealer. There is now 19 seconds on the play clock.
5. Super Sign Steal Stealer Connor Stallions relays the Stolen Sign to the Defensive Coordinator (of which there is no evidence of), he is really fast at this and it only take him 3 seconds to explain (in the detail required) what play is coming next. There is now 16 seconds on the play clock.
6. The Defensive Coordinator now has to determine what Defense / Personnel is best suited to defend the Stolen Sign/Play. Jesse Minter is a former NFL Coach, so he is really sharp and really quick to make this analysis and issues the Correct Defensive Call in 4 seconds. There is now 12 seconds on the play clock.
7. The signal callers (folks with the signs) need time to understand the call from the DC and put the correct sign up. Lets say these folks are super sharp and also wound up on energy drinks, not to mention there are probably a lot less Defensive calls, so the time to analyze and execute the signal is 3 seconds. There is now 9 seconds on the play clock.
8. The Defense may have to switch personnel, but best case that doesn't happen and all they have to do is just understand the Defensive Call and get into proper position to defend the Stolen Sign/Play. Michigan has a lot of NFL athletes on Defense and therefore physically quick and fast, since they are attending a Big Ten School instead of the best paying 'Educational' Institute in the South, they quickly decipher the Defensive Play Call and are in position to defend the Stolen Sign/Play in 3 seconds. There is now 6 seconds on the play clock.


Seems foolproof and an absolute advantage if you are playing Iowa (Who has 4 run plays and 3 pass plays), but considering the 80th fastest tempo Offense ran 2.566 plays per minute or a play every 23.4 seconds (that includes the actual play time as well), doesn't seem very likely that Sign Stealing led to a competitive advantage (Which is what the NCAA has said on multiple occasions regarding In-person scouting)... I know, I'm just a complete Michigan homer, making up stuff as I go along and 'padding' all these analysis times. Lets say we keep all the other times and assume Connor Stallions is actually a cyborg sent back in time and has all the analysis/speed advantages of a computer processor and we essentially disregard the time he takes (say 0 seconds instead of the formulated 12 seconds), the players are ready with 18 seconds on the play clock exactly 1.4 seconds before the Offense snaps the ball (assuming the previous play took 0 seconds to run).

Yeah, there is a reason why more than a few DCs in the NFL and College have laughed the whole thing off. There just isn't time for all this nonsense to go on.

Damn dude I’m impressed

[geodebasser]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nick-sa...230545207.html

[mrlawler1]

Pat Forde writes: "As much as Alabama has improved, it has still needed its opponents to make big mistakes to win its last two games. The Crimson Tide needed Auburn to fumble a punt and then follow that up with a disastrous defensive scheme on fourth-and-31. They also needed Georgia to fumble a reverse deep in its own territory and doink a field goal off the upright after a pre-snap penalty. Guess who doesn’t do those things? Michigan. T

After they went up on Georgia they never trailed in that game... So it's not like they were behind to Georgia like they were to Auburn.... Georgia was the team that had to press things to try to get ahead or to try to catch up to Alabama so that argument doesn't really hold water.... The Iron Bowl was a different story....

[mrlawler1]

Damn by y'all.... I got to stop....

[188Musky]

Damn by y'all.... I got to stop....

You did a long time ago.

Making sense, that is.

[mrlawler1]

You did a long time ago.

Making sense, that is.

Nah I make good sense, y'all just don't like it cause I'm a Bammer.. Been that way for years on here... Y'all always try to gang up on me and I wont back down from none of y'all cause I don't care... Keep up the good work trying...

[188Musky]

Nah I make good sense, y'all just don't like it cause I'm a Bammer.. Been that way for years on here... Y'all always try to gang up on me and I wont back down from none of y'all cause I don't care... Keep up the good work trying...

You're missing that I'm an impartial observer, I have no skin in the game, loyalties or disloyalties whatsoever.

You just have a special brand of sense that is all your own.