Catholics and Protestants

[drifter106]

I pretty much live on YouTube videos. Right now I have been watching video's on knot tying to hooks, swivels and various ways to use corks for channel cat fishing. This short film appeared on my video page and of course I watched it. Wanted to share it here and get your guys take on it. The first thing that jumped out at me was the fact that the speaker did not mention Matrimony as a sacrament (Protestants).
Watch the short film and share your thoughts. Very interesting film I thought.

Was this a "coincidence" that I ran across this particular film at this time?

[1Holeshot]

Drifter, I do not believe it was a "coincidence " that you came upon this video.

The question is: what do you do with the information provided?

[Hart]

I feel like that’s pretty general I feel u guys have laid out some differences better than that . So to be honest one thing I don’t buy into on the catholic side is Peter being the first pope , I kinda feel like the church makes that connection . I don’t think what we have have as “churches ” was really the idea from the beginning, But it’s where man has taken it .I just think Christianity isn’t defined or confined to or by a building . Where 2 or 3 are gatherer in my name . I think we muddy the water a lot with traditions that causes disagreements . And when I read the Bible I don’t see Jesus needing a building to do his ministry , or his act of worship doesn’t seem as mechanical as we can tend to make it . I’m not taking a shot at anyone or anything . I just wish we all could come together because the amount of change we could cause in the world quickly would be amazing

[fishinFamily]

Thanks for sharing John!! I think that video did a decent job in 10 minutes at highlighting some generalities. Obviously it an oversimplification, but it was good at p pointing out a few differences and very key similarity!!

[digthemup]

I guess the video has many generalities with a lot of omissions and errors regarding to the sacraments and holy days of observation. The video states the yr of the reformation by the Protestant church, yet, fails to point out that it is in many ways a continuation of the many shared catholic teaching about God and Christ dating back to the apostles.
BTW, John says that protestant do not view marriage a sacrament, yet, I can assure you that the Lutheran church considers my marriage as a covenant instituted by God (a religious ceremony or ritual regarded as imparting divine grace.)
Marriage is revealed in the Bible as willed and blessed by God. It is willed by God for human good and happiness through the physical and spiritual union of a man and a woman. In Genesis 2:21-24, where God provides Eve as a companion for Adam; Adam expresses joy in having her has a companion and that joy is fulfilled in their union as one flesh.
In Jesus’ presence as a guest at the marriage of Cana (John 2:1-11) confirms God’s own presence and blessing of marriage. “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her to sanctify her” (Ephesians 5:25–26). Further, the use of the marriage banquet as a symbol of the final, heavenly gathering of Christ and his people is an expression of God’s blessing as well (Matthew 22:2-12; 25: 1-13; Luke 12:35-40; Revelation 19:7-9).

So, based on all the above, I believe that we can conclude that, though it may not be expressed in the terms of the catholic church, marriage is considered a sacred ceremony.

[drifter106]

Was thinking the same thing Frank....marriage, matrimony is considered a sacrament by both Protestants and Catholics alike. The wedding feast at Cana plays a role here in establishing the sacrament.

Granted, this clip doesn't give a person the "entire" picture but it does hit on some major differences. The one thing both denominations have going for them is their belief in Jesus as their savior and the belief in the Trinity.

[digthemup]

Jesus Christ is the anchor to our salvation, and by His resurrection we are assured our resurrection into eternal life.

[drifter106]

Jesus Christ is the anchor to our salvation, and by His resurrection we are assured our resurrection into eternal life.

I wish it was that simple Frank...but it isn't.

[digthemup]

I wish it was that simple Frank...but it isn't.

I could have given you a full dissertation, but I can assure you that it is not as complex as many seem to make it, which religion is very good in adding a tremendous amount of unnecessary complexity.

[drifter106]

I could have given you a full dissertation, but I can assure you that it is not as complex as many seem to make it, which religion is very good in adding a tremendous amount of unnecessary complexity.

Just to be clear...the way I understand your passage. By Jesus' passion, death on the cross and his resurrection....we are assured of eternal happiness with him. Am I interrupting that correctly? I don't see it that way...yes, we are given the opportunity but it depends on the choices that each person in this life makes.

[1Holeshot]

One thing that many Protestant denominations do is refer to the "Church" as the congregation ( members ). The building is referred to as the " Church House" where the Church meets.

Many Protestant denominations no longer build gigantic ornate buildings to worship ( hold services ) in but in many situations repurpose store fronts or other former businesses as a place of worship.

We also believe that we are saved by Grace ( unmerited favor ) by Faith ( believing that Jesus is Who He says He is ).

[digthemup]

Just to be clear...the way I understand your passage. By Jesus' passion, death on the cross and his resurrection....we are assured of eternal happiness with him. Am I interrupting that correctly? I don't see it that way...yes, we are given the opportunity but it depends on the choices that each person in this life makes.

John
Without the sacrifice by God's only begotten Son at the cross, there would not be no forgiveness of sins for all times for the whole world. Without the resurrection of Christ, all of our hopes and believes would have died with Him in that tomb, since what He claimed that He would rise on the third days would have been false and so the rest of His teachings. We would not be having this conversation without the resurrection of Christ.

The choices each person makes in their lives may cause them to fail, yet, the sacrifice of Christ at the cross assures them forgiveness when they earnestly repent asking God's forgiveness by the blood of Christ.
BTW, the aforementioned is only possible when we accept Christ as the Son of God and the one that God sent to us as our Saviour, since eternal life without Christ is called hell.

[drifter106]

Extremely KEY word Frank...repent. Do you see a lot of repenting people in our country and world? Be honest with us and yourself Frank....do you see people or read where people are repenting?

I see hate, abortion and sins of the flesh...it's started in academia and it's now in our high schools and grade schools. As Jesus told a seer at Heede...."mankind is sinning worse now than before the deluge".

[Hart]

I’m definitely in the camp there’s nothing we can do . We do too much wrong to ever be forgiven without Christ . So no good works helps that . But a big but , when you’re truly saved and listening to the holy spirt and letting him work in your life u will do good works not out of gaining favor or forgiveness . It’s from the holy spirt living in u and the close relationship you have with them .

[drifter106]

I’m definitely in the camp there’s nothing we can do . We do too much wrong to ever be forgiven without Christ . So no good works helps that . But a big but , when you’re truly saved and listening to the holy spirt and letting him work in your life u will do good works not out of gaining favor or forgiveness . It’s from the holy spirt living in u and the close relationship you have with them .

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Totally agree Hart....we can pray for those who have fallen away from Christ. As well for those who have not yet found Jesus.

[titanxt]

I wish it was that simple Frank...but it isn't.

Is it that simple, yes it is. The Catholic Church has been on a crusade to elevate man and his worth in the salvation equation. Christ’s life, death, and resurrection + our faith in Him with the repentance of our willful continuance in sin = salvation. The Catholic Church desperately has sought power by interjecting nonsense into that equation - indulgences, works, salvation only through the Catholic Church, polytheism, etc. That is Satan-driven, unbiblical nonsense.

St. Peter was giving a tour of heaven to some Protestants. As St. Peter and the group passed by the first window, St. Peter said, “Here is where the Baptists live.” As St. Peter and the group passed by the second window, St. Peter said, “Here is where the Reformist live.” As St. Peter and the group passed by the third window, St. Peter instructed the group to crawl underneath the window and to not be seen. St. Peter explained, “That is where the catholics live and they think they are the only ones here.”

[fishinFamily]

Is it that simple, yes it is. The Catholic Church has been on a crusade to elevate man and his worth in the salvation equation. Christ’s life, death, and resurrection + our faith in Him with the repentance of our willful continuance in sin = salvation. The Catholic Church desperately has sought power by interjecting nonsense into that equation - indulgences, works, salvation only through the Catholic Church, polytheism, etc. That is Satan-driven, unbiblical nonsense.

St. Peter was giving a tour of heaven to some Protestants. As St. Peter and the group passed by the first window, St. Peter said, “Here is where the Baptists live.” As St. Peter and the group passed by the second window, St. Peter said, “Here is where the Reformist live.” As St. Peter and the group passed by the third window, St. Peter instructed the group to crawl underneath the window and to not be seen. St. Peter explained, “That is where the catholics live and they think they are the only ones here.”

Did you read the comment that John said was not that simple? “… by His resurrection we are assured our resurrection into eternal life.”

By that statement, everyone in the world is saved. Do you really believe that? I’m with John, it’s not that simple. We have to believe in Jesus, we have to respond to the grace of God, We have to repent of our sins, and we must be Baptized. It’s all in the Bible….

I like your joke though! That’s funny!

[GPtimes2]

Did you read the comment that John said was not that simple? “… by His resurrection we are assured our resurrection into eternal life.”

By that statement, everyone in the world is saved. Do you really believe that? I’m with John, it’s not that simple. We have to believe in Jesus, we have to respond to the grace of God, We have to repent of our sins, and we must be Baptized. It’s all in the Bible….

I like your joke though! That’s funny!

In edit, this response is based on your saying baptized would be water baptism (not the spirit baptism).

There are times I wish there was something I could do to help what Jesus did for my salvation. Even something as simple as water baptism. I might feel better if there was. That I could take a little suffering from him and share in it. But there is absolutely nothing we can do. God made it so that we cannot share in it in any way. It would take away from his accomplishment. He alone conquered sin and death and paid the price in full. We can only accept that he did it all. No works on our part helps in any way. They are all like filthy rags compared to what Jesus did. That includes claiming water baptism is required for salvation. It is a very big insult and disrespect to even claim such a thing is a must addition to what Jesus did. I don't see how anyone could claim that is not adding works to our salvation. I hope you revisit this in your studies. If you need more explanations, you can google, "is water baptism necessary for salvation". There are more than few sites explaining the Bible verses that on the surface may be used to claim that is but fail when looked at in the proper context. And plenty of verse that say only Jesus, nothing else.

[Hart]

Gp , so I think most here agree nothing we can do for salvation it’s a gift. But to think after you’re saved , that he doesn’t have an expectation of u to do something for him is wrong . He tells all to make disciples for one . That has nothing to do with what Jesus did but we are asked to do that . If a persons life doesn’t look like Christ I think there’s a problem. He wants us to be submissive to him , to me that’s what baptism shows you’re giving it over to him usually in a public declaration. Is that the be all end all I don’t know , it clearly tells us to do it . He doesn’t say you’ll have salvation through this baptism, but still ask u to do it . But if people have such a stance that they won’t get baptized cause they don’t need it , could be a pride issue and that is a problem. Do they truly see or know Jesus .

[fishinFamily]

Jesus himself was Baptized in water this showing us the ordinary form of the sacrament. But I agree that in certain circumstances one can be Baptized by desire or can be saved without being Baptized.

I am not saying I can do anything to merit salvation. But to the one who has been given much, much will be expected. We all have free will, and we can choose God and we can choose to be away from God. It is not so simple as Jesus died, rose, and now everyone in the world is saved. Free will did not die on the cross.