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    Voltage question on Livescope

    I have 93sv units with a dedicated lithium battery to power livescope. It seems that when the voltage drops I can't pick up the lure and also see less fish etc. I noticed it at 11.4 volts.

    I thought lithium stayed constant on the voltage until it went dead?? I am getting this reading from the screen. So this may not be what is happening. The separate battery I thought ran just the livescope transducer. But I am not sure.

    Thanks for any thoughts.

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    Voltage readings on electronics screens are close to useless other than as an indication of the quality of the wiring. Regardless, performance doesn’t change as long as the voltage the unit sees is within the manufacturer’s designated operating voltage range. Internally, the voltage is exactly the same throughout that input voltage range.
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    Never run a lithium that low or you can damage it. I ould say you have poor wiring or not enough AH lithium for what you are running, or just running it to long.

    Low voltage will not effect the performance or images.

    AH of Lithium / amps being drawn = hours it should run safely
    example 50ah lithium / 5a draw = 10 hours

    Just a 93sv and the Livescope box draw just under 2 amps.

    Give us more specifics on your setup.

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    I have a 30 amped and it charges to 16.5 and takes a couple days to see 11.4 and that's about the time the unit shuts down from low voltage and I'm powering a 1222 and black box

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    They battery is 23AH so how long should it hold power? I have two 93sv up front and 2 at the console.. it may be that I am drawing 6-8 amp??

    I may need to un plug that single battery and confirm what it powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fowlthing View Post
    ...... But I am not sure....
    And so, we're not sure either. Actually sounds like your 93sv is not connected to the lithium.
    Check your wiring. Verify what is connected to what.
    What is the AH of the lithium?
    You'll probably answer your own question.

    Didn't see your above post when I wrote this.
    Your battery is not big enough.
    My wife asks if I'm going to fish every day. I can't fish every day. Some days I might be sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWINCHESTER2 View Post
    And so, we're not sure either. Actually sounds like your 93sv is not connected to the lithium.
    Check your wiring. Verify what is connected to what.
    What is the AH of the lithium?
    You'll probably answer your own question.

    Didn't see your above post when I wrote this.
    Your battery is not big enough.
    Disconnected the lithium batter and graphs stayed on. But lost panoptix. I am getting a meter to test the amperage. But I am shifting back to the battery is big enough for just Panoptix transducer.

    will know more on Monday.
    thanks

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    Black box draws less than 1a so a 23AH should run JUST IT about 23 hours

    As for your four 93sv, they draw about 1a each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2dwoods View Post
    I have a 30 amped and it charges to 16.5 and takes a couple days to see 11.4 and that's about the time the unit shuts down from low voltage and I'm powering a 1222 and black box
    You need to charge it every time you go out.

    If the unit shuts down from low voltage you are damaging the Lithium. They definitely don't like that. I set my voltage alarm at 11.5v which means at the battery is actually about 11.7. Then I turn the unit off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatFan View Post
    Voltage readings on electronics screens are close to useless other than as an indication of the quality of the wiring. Regardless, performance doesn’t change as long as the voltage the unit sees is within the manufacturer’s designated operating voltage range. Internally, the voltage is exactly the same throughout that input voltage range.
    ideal operating range for the echomap and striker seris is 12.5v and above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTW View Post
    ideal operating range for the echomap and striker seris is 12.5v and above.
    No. They will run at any voltage between 9 and 18V exactly the same. Internally they all produce the same regulated voltage over the input range and they operate exactly the same at 9V as they do at 18V. There is no ideal voltage.
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    Exactly!!!! Amazing how many times this pops back up.
    My wife asks if I'm going to fish every day. I can't fish every day. Some days I might be sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatFan View Post
    No. They will run at any voltage between 9 and 18V exactly the same. Internally they all produce the same regulated voltage over the input range and they operate exactly the same at 9V as they do at 18V. There is no ideal voltage.
    per garmin support:

    https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?fa...363&tab=topics


    • The ideal voltage is 12.5 V or higher. If the voltage is lower, the battery does not have enough power to run the device and will need to be replaced



      also if you run them at max voltage the ldo regulator differential will create more heat, because heat is the product of wasted voltage. ive ran a lot of tests on these units and cringe when folks run these off of cheap buck or boost converters thinking it will give them a clearer image. the amount of ripple they are putting into their units is making matters worse and prematurely aging their electronics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTW View Post
    per garmin support:

    https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?fa...363&tab=topics


    • The ideal voltage is 12.5 V or higher. If the voltage is lower, the battery does not have enough power to run the device and will need to be replaced



      also if you run them at max voltage the ldo regulator differential will create more heat, because heat is the product of wasted voltage. ive ran a lot of tests on these units and cringe when folks run these off of cheap buck or boost converters thinking it will give them a clearer image. the amount of ripple they are putting into their units is making matters worse and prematurely aging their electronics.
    That’s ideal voltage for the battery. A lower voltage indicates the battery is defective or not charged. The unit works exactly the same on 9V as it does 18V
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    i wouldnt use those drill batteries with a converter either. i measured anywhere from 3-600mv ripple on the output. ive repaired a few and called garmin and spoke with their tech. they have seen some warranty claims as well and advised not to use them. lowrance doesnt recommend using them either.

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    Tested the amps on the wire to the live scope transducer. Max wa just under 3 amps. Battery is 23 amp hours. So it should last 7 plus hours. Next time out will do more testing with a larger bait.

    I do charge batteries each time.

    i did have a battery connection that I think may have been faulty. Maybe?

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    As I said the black box draws just under an amp as shown on a meter and the App on my Ionic Lithium. I don't see how the transducer could draw 3a. What wire did you check and how did you check it? there are so many

    Did you ever figure what is powering the four 93sv's and wire size?

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    could be the connection problem. each connection and fuse will have some IR drop and a loose connection will have a greater effect.

    fyi, devices draw power and the current will fluctuate depending on power requirements of the device. a gls10 can draw anywhere from 0-58w.

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    If the graphs stayed on when you unplugged the lithium battery, you are dealing with 2 separate circuits. The 11.4 volts you see on the screen is not the panoptix battery voltage.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fowlthing View Post
    Disconnected the lithium batter and graphs stayed on. But lost panoptix. I am getting a meter to test the amperage. But I am shifting back to the battery is big enough for just Panoptix transducer.

    will know more on Monday.
    thanks
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