Those that died?

[GPtimes2]

Just curious if there are any Christian writings (bible or other) that says or indicates that anyone that has died (Family, friends, Bible characters, saints, Mary, etc...) can see us, hear us, know what we are thinking, pray/intercede for us, etc..
If you know any, would you please share. Also, if you know something that would contradict. Like the dead are doing this and that, therefore they wouldn't be able to do those things. Not looking to stir the pot (so to speak), just for knowledge. Thanks in advance for any input.

[drifter106]

There are several documented instances where people in purgatory have appeared to living beings asking for prayers or Masses said for them.

One thing about purgatory...those who are there cannot pray for themselves.

[digthemup]

Just curious if there are any Christian writings (bible or other) that says or indicates that anyone that has died (Family, friends, Bible characters, saints, Mary, etc...) can see us, hear us, know what we are thinking, pray/intercede for us, etc..
If you know any, would you please share. Also, if you know something that would contradict. Like the dead are doing this and that, therefore they wouldn't be able to do those things. Not looking to stir the pot (so to speak), just for knowledge. Thanks in advance for any input.

GP
Please don't feel like you are stirring the pot because you are asking a difficult question, since we have many great believers here giving great input to some very difficult posts.
There have been many different books written on the subject you seem to suggest, but I would say that trying to substantiate any of them would be difficult at best. Being raised Sicilian in a catholic family, there were a lot of traditions and believes about ancestors, saints, and others being able to intercede for us to God, however, as I read scripture, the only intercessor I have found written for is Christ, who sits at the right hand of God the Father interceding for us when the accuser of the brethren attempts to convict us of our transgressions.

[fishinFamily]

Just curious if there are any Christian writings (bible or other) that says or indicates that anyone that has died (Family, friends, Bible characters, saints, Mary, etc...) can see us, hear us, know what we are thinking, pray/intercede for us, etc..
If you know any, would you please share. Also, if you know something that would contradict. Like the dead are doing this and that, therefore they wouldn't be able to do those things. Not looking to stir the pot (so to speak), just for knowledge. Thanks in advance for any input.

There are actually several examples in the Bible. As I mentioned in the other post, Jesus speaks to Elijah and Moses.

In addition there’s the story of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man pleas to Father Abraham. Abraham doesn’t ask God to grant his request, but he does hear it and respond.

Jesus talks to his friend Lazarus (who is dead) and likewise the dead daughter of Jairus. They both hear him and are raised.

[mram10us]

The Bible is clear that mediums and necromancers are to be avoided. Jesus is our only intercessor, of course. That said, I still find myself talking to a special someone at times.....

[digthemup]

There are actually several examples in the Bible. As I mentioned in the other post, Jesus speaks to Elijah and Moses.

In addition there’s the story of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man pleas to Father Abraham. Abraham doesn’t ask God to grant his request, but he does hear it and respond.

Jesus talks to his friend Lazarus (who is dead) and likewise the dead daughter of Jairus. They both hear him and are raised.

Bill
All of those are great example, though they do have one thing in common, Jesus is the one that is doing the talking with them, and since He is God in human form, I believe that He has powers above any of us have with the Father's permission to do that which He did.
Please correct me if you feel that I am incorrect in any way
Frank

[fishinFamily]

Jesus did all of those things and we are to imitate Him, correct? Ephesians 5:1

Furthermore we should imitate others who imitate Christ. 1 Corinthians 11:1.

If that’s what The Bible says, then Jesus can’t do something that would cause us to sin by imitating it.

[fishinFamily]

Bill
All of those are great example, though they do have one thing in common, Jesus is the one that is doing the talking with them, and since He is God in human form, I believe that He has powers above any of us have with the Father's permission to do that which He did.
Please correct me if you feel that I am incorrect in any way
Frank

And actually the rich man in my second example is not Jesus.

[digthemup]

And actually the rich man in my second example is not Jesus.

I believe that Jesus is the one telling the parable of the rich man and Lazarus as Luke tells us about it in chapter 16.

[fishinFamily]

Right but he doesn’t say “I spoke to Father Abraham” but rather “the rich man…”

[digthemup]

Right but he doesn’t say “I spoke to Father Abraham” but rather “the rich man…”

I see where you going with it, that the rich man spoke to Abraham.
Let me clarify parable, which is a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual teaching lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.

[titanxt]

There are several documented instances where people in purgatory have appeared to living beings asking for prayers or Masses said for them.

One thing about purgatory...those who are there cannot pray for themselves.

I love reading and studying. Would you please provide a link?

[titanxt]

There are actually several examples in the Bible. As I mentioned in the other post, Jesus speaks to Elijah and Moses.

In addition there’s the story of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man pleas to Father Abraham. Abraham doesn’t ask God to grant his request, but he does hear it and respond.

Jesus talks to his friend Lazarus (who is dead) and likewise the dead daughter of Jairus. They both hear him and are raised.

Jesus did many things that we cannot do no matter how hard we might try to imitate Him - talking with Elijah and Abraham was one of those things.

Abraham and the rich man were both dead - one in heaven and one not. If the rich man was still alive you would have something here, but he was not.

Jesus calling Lazarus and the young girl back from the dead - see my first reply.

No matter how hard one tries, praying for the intersession of anyone who is passed is not Biblical. Please do not take this as a personal attack, we must fight against false teaching when it is encountered. How about we all spend time praying to Jesus to have Him show each of us the truth and to not rely on our own understanding, but on His truth.

[GPtimes2]

Jesus did many things that we cannot do no matter how hard we might try to imitate Him - talking with Elijah and Abraham was one of those things.

Abraham and the rich man were both dead - one in heaven and one not. If the rich man was still alive you would have something here, but he was not.

Jesus calling Lazarus and the young girl back from the dead - see my first reply.

No matter how hard one tries, praying for the intersession of anyone who is passed is not Biblical. Please do not take this as a personal attack, we must fight against false teaching when it is encountered. How about we all spend time praying to Jesus to have Him show each of us the truth and to not rely on our own understanding, but on His truth.

Maybe just a technicality, but wouldn't we pray to the Father (our father who are in heaven), in the name of Jesus (whatever you ask the Father in my name), and the Holy Spirit show (teach, guide, counsel, etc....) us the truth?

[titanxt]

GPtimes2, Yes.

[fishinFamily]

Jesus did many things that we cannot do no matter how hard we might try to imitate Him - talking with Elijah and Abraham was one of those things.

Abraham and the rich man were both dead - one in heaven and one not. If the rich man was still alive you would have something here, but he was not.

Jesus calling Lazarus and the young girl back from the dead - see my first reply.

No matter how hard one tries, praying for the intersession of anyone who is passed is not Biblical. Please do not take this as a personal attack, we must fight against false teaching when it is encountered. How about we all spend time praying to Jesus to have Him show each of us the truth and to not rely on our own understanding, but on His truth.

I don’t take any of this personal. I think these are great posts and there is more activity in this board than there has been in a while! I am comfortable in my faith and I think there is beauty and truth in the Bible. One of the best things I have learned from discussions like these is that I should read the Bible daily - I try to!

What are other things that Jesus did that would be heresy if we did them? I suppose saying “ I am the Son of God” comes to mind. Anything else?

[digthemup]

Jesus did many things that we cannot do no matter how hard we might try to imitate Him - talking with Elijah and Abraham was one of those things.

Abraham and the rich man were both dead - one in heaven and one not. If the rich man was still alive you would have something here, but he was not.

Jesus calling Lazarus and the young girl back from the dead - see my first reply.

No matter how hard one tries, praying for the intersession of anyone who is passed is not Biblical. Please do not take this as a personal attack, we must fight against false teaching when it is encountered. How about we all spend time praying to Jesus to have Him show each of us the truth and to not rely on our own understanding, but on His truth.

Titanxt
The rich man and Lazarus is a parable Jesus used to teach His followers.
Let me clarify parable, which is a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual teaching lesson, as many told by Jesus.

[titanxt]

Titanxt
The rich man and Lazarus is a parable Jesus used to teach His followers.
Let me clarify parable, which is a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual teaching lesson, as many told by Jesus.

Valid point, it was a parable. My response spoke directly to the incorrect assertion that through that parable there stands evidence the deceased hear the words of the living.

[digthemup]

Valid point, it was a parable. My response spoke directly to the incorrect assertion that through that parable there stands evidence the deceased hear the words of the living.

Thank you for explaining your point, which gives me a better understanding.