flipping-pitching with bass jigs

[mkgarrison5]

i was reading what type of rods and line used to pitch and flip. my questions are

1. is mono better than braided for flip-pitch?

2. for you guys who use braid. do you still use braid in stained and or clear water??

3. for bass jig trailers. is "chunk" considered pork?? sorry confused on that one. EXAMPLE strike king chuck and zoom chunk (for bass jig trailers)

[basspro48]

1. I never use mono for flipping/pitching. In dirty water or very heavy cover I use 50lb Stren Super Braid, but most of the time I am using 15-25lb test Seaguar fluorocarbon line.

2. No, never use braid in clear water, it stands out like rope. Like I said above I prefer fluorocarbon

3. A chunk is any jig trailer that is a chunk of plastic or pork with 2 craw arms coming off of it. Look up ZOOM super chunk or YUM chunk on a tackle website and you will see what I am talking about.

[mkgarrison5]

gotcha.. where can i get the pork chunks for bass jigs??

[basspro48]

Uncle Josh is the biggest producer of pork trailers I think, try doing a search on bass pro shop's website for "pork trailer" or "uncle josh"

[teelman]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mkgarrison5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was reading what type of rods and line used to pitch and flip. my questions are

1. is mono better than braided for flip-pitch?

2. for you guys who use braid. do you still use braid in stained and or clear water??

3. for bass jig trailers. is "chunk" considered pork?? sorry confused on that one. EXAMPLE strike king chuck and zoom chunk (for bass jig trailers)</TD></TR></TABLE>


1. I think it's personal preference as to what you want to use. Some say fish are line shy. Some say fish are dumb and that it doesnt matter. I think the most important thing is to use whatever you have confidence in and what works for you in terms of castability and budget. If you want to know, I pitch and flip with mono, floro and braid, in no particular order. But, if it's around heavy cover, I prefer to use braid.

2. Again, it depends on the cover being fished. I just pick up whichever rod I have rigged. If it's standing timber, I prefer my 7'MH with 50lb braid. Next is 7'MH with 20lb braid, next is 7'M with anywhere from 14-20lb mono or floro, just depends on what I have on there.

3. Chunk is pretty much just something with two "arms" coming off of it to resemble a craw. But, you will see this term interchanged with "jig trailer" also. I have chunks that look like just the head and arms of a craw. I also have trailers that are very lifelike and represent a little more of the craw, just not the tail. Then I have full craws, like the Yum Crawdaddy or crawbug, or somethign like that, I forget.

There's a million different ones to try. Some of the more popular are Zoom SuperChunks, Yum chunks, Paca Chunks (very popular right now) and many many others....you could go on all day. I've got all types mentioned, but no pork trailers. Just dont care for the mess.

[Neilslure]

For 3/8 or 1/2 oz jigs I use a 7'6 MH flipping stick with 20 lb Stren Heavy Cover, very few break offs, most involve toothy critters.

For a 1/4 oz or pitching smaller tx rig baits I use a 7 ft MH with 14 lb mono.

[capticeman]

first off, start out with a 7-6 flippin rod, maybe 2. I'd rig one with about 17# test mono or flouro. rig another rod with 30-50# braid. I've used both over the years.

get some Zoom super chunks...

[mkgarrison5]

whats the difference in zoom super chunks and the regular chunks?? also what size pacas generally?

[teelman]

Chunks have triangular type "claws" where the SuperChunks have a little more realistic appearance.

I have both but NEVER throw the chunks. I like things a little more realistic in appearance.

I use baby paca chunks mostly. But, I prefer a more compact appearance in a jig. I have more confidence in it. If I want a little larger look, I might use a baby paca craw, or a Superchunk

[mkgarrison5]

dumb question time


how do you guys "flip or pitch"... i use open reels mainly. how can i flip or pitch?? never really done it.. thanks guys

[teelman]

I use all baitcasters. What do you mean by "open reels"? If you mean spinning, you can pitch and flip with them as well.

For baitcasters, it takes quite a bit of practice. with spinng reels, it's just a matter of timing an underhand cast. You just open the bail as usual, hold the line as usual, and just do an underhand toss. You wont pitch distances greater than 30ft or so, maybe more if you're good at it and the bait is heavy enough.

I think baitcasters are by far a better way of fishing though. I use my spinning reels only when I'm throwing the lightest of baits. Basically, if it's heavy enough for a baitcaster to move line out, I'll figure out a way to throw it on there. Tha'ts just me, I'm sure it's hardheaded and not the preferrred way of doing it, just what I do.

[mkgarrison5]

i have one baitcaster that i use strictly for C-Rig and thats it.. i find deals on combos for spinning rods and etc... not a hug fan of bait casters. plus i dont have the $ to spend on good new ones.. thanks to teacher's pay lol.. i work for the state of NC and they dont pay piss... anyway thanks for the tip big guy!!

[teelman]

Dicks has a great baitcasting rod from a company called Quest. It has IM7 graphite. I have a couple of them. They are only $30. Now, the reel, that's a different story. You'd have to go at least $70 to get a decent reel. I found some by Pinnacle at Wally World that I've been very pleased with. If you can find it, get the Pinnacle Sentara (its blue and silver). Cost like $65-70. I throw 50lb braid on mine and can cast a weightless horney toad a mile with that combo. For just a $30 more, wal-mart has a daiwa advantage thats a fantastic reel. I love the two I have. They throw light baits very well and without backlash. I've used 10-20lb mono and braid on mine and have loved how they work for all. They pitch and cast really nice.

My C-rig rod is probably the one I use the least. I hate to C-rig. I have no confidence in it and I've only caught one fish and missed another one, in 2 yrs of trying it.

Of course, I've never really been shown the proper technique to it, so that may have something to do with it.

[mkgarrison5]

in late summer thats about all i use is the C Rig and have caught MOST of my larger fish that way.. its difficult to detect strikes (the reason why i switched to power pro braid) instead of mono this year. i have never casted braided line with my bait caster before so that will be interesting... i love c rigging, esp when fishing slow. ... ill look into those reels when i need to buy one. right now i have plenty of good working rods that i have accumulated over the years..

[Driver]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teelman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My C-rig rod is probably the one I use the least. I hate to C-rig. I have no confidence in it and I've only caught one fish and missed another one, in 2 yrs of trying it.

Of course, I've never really been shown the proper technique to it, so that may have something to do with it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats me with jigs....

[teelman]

I dont understand this mystique around jigs everyone is talking about. To me, it really fishes almost exaclty like a TX rig. I dont see that much difference in it.

Now, I'd understand if people also dont TX rig either. Are you saying you just dont have confidence in its appearance or presentation to the fish?

I know I've missed fish on EVERY bait I have, just because of what I've seen at the shows and that bass tank the presenters throw into. Even Ike, Shaw, and Swindle didnt detect EVERY bite. Most of the fish I catch I feel a distinctive *thump* or wiggle on the line when the bait is sitting still, or just has moved.

For me, almost evertime I've had a strike with a jig I've felt a thump. It felt exactly like it did when I was fishing a pegged lizard or a creature bait. There were a few times that I drug the bait really slowly, never letting it get off the bottom and suddenly it was heavy.

I know there are other times I've been bitten and didnt know it, That's just part of fishing. They're sneaky little boogers sometimes.

Hell, Iv'e been bitten fishing the shakey head and didnt realize it until my line was 10' away from where it was the last time I looked at it (which has usually resulted in a gut hooked fish)

For me, I've had most my success with jigs fishing it S-L-O-W-L-Y. I cant stress that enough. Sometimes I hop it, sometimes I just drag it a foot at the time, but I ALWAYS pause and let it sit for 5 sec in between movements.

I've never caught a fish swimming a jig so I have no confidence it that presentation. I think I'd rather throw a spinnerbait, rattletrap or crankbait instead, but that's just me.

Just take it out there one day, experiment with a couple of different colors. I guarantee, if they'll bite soemthing on the bottom, they'll bite a jig. Use it with confidence.

I like something that make sthe trailer or chunk stand up a bit. Makes it look more like a crawfish in a defensive mode.

You wont get lots of bites, but you will get quality bites.

[Fish Loco]

When I pitch or flip a jig or tex rig I hardly ever fill a bite. But I am a big believer in watching your line. One big reason is if you pitch to a pier post and you spool your line off by hand as I do ( this is to get the bait to fall straight down) you will not fill a bite with slack line. Most of the time the line will just jump a little or just move off to the side.

When fishing a jig deep 10 + feet you will feel a thump or the line get heavy.

Same with a Carolina rig most of the time you will not feel a big fish bite, the weight goes away, feels mushy or the line moves to the side or straight to you. It's just so important to be focused on your line when fishing it's just something you have to do to be a better fisherman.

[mkgarrison5]

good tip!! i crig all the time and yeah very seldom do you feel a strike esp when the fish is 5lbs or less.. they just gradually swim by and put it their mouths and slowly swim off. i try to keep my forefinger as far up the rod (usually a few inches up from normal grip) to help feel subtle strikes

[teelman]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fishandfowl loco &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> When I pitch or flip a jig or tex rig I hardly ever fill a bite. But I am a big believer in watching your line. One big reason is if you pitch to a pier post and you spool your line off by hand as I do ( this is to get the bait to fall straight down) you will not fill a bite with slack line. Most of the time the line will just jump a little or just move off to the side.

When fishing a jig deep 10 + feet you will feel a thump or the line get heavy.

Same with a Carolina rig most of the time you will not feel a big fish bite, the weight goes away, feels mushy or the line moves to the side or straight to you. It's just so important to be focused on your line when fishing it's just something you have to do to be a better fisherman. </TD></TR></TABLE>

GREAT TIP, i forgot to mention that, watch you line, dont do like I do. I'm like a bobblehead and I hate it. I think it's even more important to watch the line when fishing senkos, trick worms, or flukes. You rarely ever feel the bite, just see the line twitch a little. At least, that's my experiences.