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    The killing of all the biological organisms in a reservoir alone should be enough to make this white elephant of an idea go away.

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    There's several other countries doing this already. China and Europe have some impressive floating solar arrays. India has been covering their canals with solar. Solar is the future, wether you believe it or not.

    A question for the BBC brain trust:

    If solar panels on a resevoir would kill all organisms in the resevoir by blocking the sun light, then how are farmers growing crops under solar panels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boneil View Post
    There's several other countries doing this already. China and Europe have some impressive floating solar arrays. India has been covering their canals with solar. Solar is the future, wether you believe it or not.

    A question for the BBC brain trust:

    If solar panels on a resevoir would kill all organisms in the resevoir by blocking the sun light, then how are farmers growing crops under solar panels?
    Lol, you think it's a good idea, why are none of us surprized? To answer your question we have a bunch of farms here in OH with solar panels, and I know dozens of farmers, never seen one growing crops under their solar panels.

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    Why wouldn’t you start by putting them up in deserts? Is it too obvious?
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    What could possibly go wrong

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    Why wouldn’t you start by putting them up in deserts? Is it too obvious?
    That’s where we are going to put the water from the reservoir. It’s all a circle.

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    Stupid idea. It will ruin the reservoir and destroy any economy based on that reservoir. The type of solar they are talking about will only work when the sun shines so you will still need to store it or have another source for nights or when it is cloudy. Destroy the ecosystem of the lake. It would make much more sense to create a concentrated solar array in the dessert where the sun is more likely to be shining, they can still produce electricity at night and most of the dessert is wasteland anyway. That along with solar panels on houses and buildings would be a much better idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 99R93S View Post
    Why wouldn’t you start by putting them up in deserts? Is it too obvious?
    Not enough reservoirs in the desert. Or Targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boneil View Post
    There's several other countries doing this already. China and Europe have some impressive floating solar arrays. India has been covering their canals with solar. Solar is the future, wether you believe it or not.

    A question for the BBC brain trust:

    If solar panels on a resevoir would kill all organisms in the resevoir by blocking the sun light, then how are farmers growing crops under solar panels?
    At the end of the day, you always need power on demand, not just when the sun is shining or wind is blowing. While these “renewables” can supplement the grid, they almost never are a cost effective complete solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 99R93S View Post
    Why wouldn’t you start by putting them up in deserts? Is it too obvious?

    They are. They are building solar farms in northern Africa and will send that power to Europe. We don't do it in the US because of politics and utility companies get in the way. We have a divided grid with too many self interests. Very little profit to be made with abundant cheap energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjenson View Post
    At the end of the day, you always need power on demand, not just when the sun is shining or wind is blowing. While these “renewables” can supplement the grid, they almost never are a cost effective complete solution.

    I take it you never heard of grid storage. It's understandable. Most people don't follow the projects that are going on. There's alot of grid storage projects happening at the same time as we expand solar and wind generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassfisher444 View Post
    Lol, you think it's a good idea, why are none of us surprized? To answer your question we have a bunch of farms here in OH with solar panels, and I know dozens of farmers, never seen one growing crops under their solar panels.

    I guess since you've never seen one then it must not exist. OK
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    Quote Originally Posted by boneil View Post
    There's several other countries doing this already. China and Europe have some impressive floating solar arrays. India has been covering their canals with solar. Solar is the future, wether you believe it or not.

    A question for the BBC brain trust:

    If solar panels on a resevoir would kill all organisms in the resevoir by blocking the sun light, then how are farmers growing crops under solar panels?
    I have not seen farms under solar panels, but I am not denying that it does exist. How do they farm around the panels? I don't see how there could be enough room to get equipment in and around the panels. I would assume it would be smaller scale agriculture that grow specialty crops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjenson View Post
    I think the environmental impact studies involving water would wipe out land purchase costs pretty quickly. Not to mention the need for inverters to convert the solar output to useable transmission voltages.

    This reminds me of the pie in the sky, “make the roads solar panels”. You can make the ideas make sense in theory, but once you get in the real world I don’t see it working out very well.
    Now there is a idea. Line the medians of interstate with solar panels. Hook them up directly on the road and develops a way for EV’s to pull power off the road surface. Charge while driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranchhand02 View Post
    I have not seen farms under solar panels, but I am not denying that it does exist. How do they farm around the panels? I don't see how there could be enough room to get equipment in and around the panels. I would assume it would be smaller scale agriculture that grow specialty crops.

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    Thanks for the article. That is what I assumed is that it would be small scale ag with a specialty crop. The example in the article was a 24 acre crop. Its like most things in that it will not work everywhere, but it will work in certain situations.
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    It's also been proven that Wind Turbines NEVER provide any ROI. They produce very little power vs their cost to produce, and the environmental impact they cause.

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    I take it you never heard of grid storage. It's understandable. Most people don't follow the projects that are going on. There's alot of grid storage projects happening at the same time as we expand solar and wind generation.
    I work for a major utility lol. Like I said, all of these pie in the sky ideas seem great on paper, and they will take some pictures of "grid storage" facilities and make sure they hit the paper, but the overall expenses of these projects make them more of a political statement rather than an actual major factor in power production. I even know of some "solar" we have that isn't even hooked to anything, its purely to look "green". If we want real improvements we need better / increased transmission abilities, more reservoir storage, and more nuclear facilities. Instead we tend to throw up wind generation and solar sites that are more of a political statement than an actual cost effective solution for the customers.
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    So what's goin' on in the desert outside of Boulder City?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjenson View Post
    I work for a major utility lol. Like I said, all of these pie in the sky ideas seem great on paper, and they will take some pictures of "grid storage" facilities and make sure they hit the paper, but the overall expenses of these projects make them more of a political statement rather than an actual major factor in power production. I even know of some "solar" we have that isn't even hooked to anything, its purely to look "green". If we want real improvements we need better / increased transmission abilities, more reservoir storage, and more nuclear facilities. Instead we tend to throw up wind generation and solar sites that are more of a political statement than an actual cost effective solution for the customers.
    There sure is alot of grid storage being built for just being pie in the sky ideas. But, you know the old saying, "one man's pie in the sky idea is another man's balanced grid with cheap energy".
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