Looks like Mercury is allowing use of lithium cranking batteries if it meets certain criteria. Does anyone know if Ionic 125am meets this criteria?
Looks like Mercury is allowing use of lithium cranking batteries if it meets certain criteria. Does anyone know if Ionic 125am meets this criteria?
As of 9/26/2022, Mercury has issued Service Bulletin 2022-19 stating that the listed engines will be permitted to use a Lithium Iron Phosphate Battery that is designed for engine cranking, as long as it meets the listed specifications:
-2.1L 75-115hp Fourstroke, ProXS and SeaPro Models
-3.0L 150hp Fourstroke, ProXS and SeaPro
-4.6L V8 and 3.4L V6 175-300hp Fourstroke, ProXS, SeaPro and Verado Models
-2.6L L6 200-400 Pro and Verado Models
-7.6L V12 500-600hp SeaPro and Verado Models.
-NO other engines approved at this time.
Minimum Specs Required:
-Chemistry/Format: Lithium IRON Phosphate designed for MARINE CRANKING USE.
-Minimum Cranking Amps: 800A for 8 second minimum @ 20 Degrees F
-Peak Charge Acceptance: 165A at 20-130 degrees F for one minute
-Max Charge Alternator Size: 150A at 20-130 degrees F
-Max Charge Voltage/Alternator Output: 14.8V
-Reserve Capacity (RC25 @ 80F): 135 Minutes
-Ingress Protection (IP rating): IP67 or greater.
Cautions that use at temperatures below 32F may require additional equipment such as a battery heater.
Bulletin also lists a Relion Battery that has been evaluated and meets the above requirements: RB100-HP.
Yes Absolutely The IONIC meets or exceeds the necessary requirements for the Mercury's
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WOW!!! So Relion took their specs off their site, Ionic doesn’t offer a starting battery on their site. Impulse is max 80 amps charge rate. 14.8 volts peak voltage will shutdown most BMS’s. Brunswick owns Mercury AND Relion Battery Corp. Oh My…………. This is going to get EXTREMELY MESSY
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Hey Drew. I looked at your site and lithium hub and the Starter Batteries aren’t listed anymore. Scratching my head since I just bought lithiums and swear I saw the starting batteries and their specs a few weeks ago while browsing your site. I know these new specs put some of the batteries out there out of spec so hoping this doesn’t mess people up.Originally Posted by DREWTICK
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Luckily the Crappie, Stripers and Tuna don’t seem to care.............. BigBry
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bad link but thanks. I’ve been on their site this evening. Maybe their data sheets are there but couldn’t find them. The 125 cranking battery is nowhere to be found on the internet. Believe me I just spent countless hours shopping before pulling the trigger a few weeks ago and saw a zillion ionic cranking battery adds lol. Maybe they’ve sold out with the news. I did dig through Relion on the RB100 HP and found the data sheet. You have to back door it. Not on the product page anymore if anyones looking for it. The new mercury specs are exactly what is listed on the Relion spec sheet. Very surprising. The 156 amp peak charge rate seems like the spec to meet and maybe all the batteries meet that spec and it’s different than the max amp charge rate all manufacturers seem to list. Maybe I’m just missing something here.
If I looked good in spandex and my boats paint had glitter, I’d fish for bass.
Luckily the Crappie, Stripers and Tuna don’t seem to care.............. BigBry
The first paragraph on the spec sheet for the 125 Ionic only list 150-250 HP Yamaha and Mercury motors. Does this mean that I should not use one on my Mercury 300 Verado pro? Thanks
No mention of Optimax 225.
https://www.solar-electric.com/lib/wind-sun/RB100-HP_Spec_Sheet.pdf
So according to what I clearly read in these specs ( the actual specs for the RB100HP before they disappeared) the RB-100 hp DOES NOT meet MERCURYS approved standards. ( 3 fails). What gives MERCURY?
100a max charge current
800a 2 sec
Enclosure Protection IP66
I have customers running them on 300 and 400hp Verado's , Ionic does not list that because they have not done there own on the water test, I have sold many and they have been in use for going on 3 years now with zero issues
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KK I don’t see a problem with the Relion spec’s from their site. https://relionbattery.com/products/lithium/rb100-hp
Tell me where has a slow movin' once quick draw outlaw got to go
Do you have the link to the actual bulletin?
I see what they did. Kinda interesting and sneaky....lol
When you own the motor company and the battery company you can do whatever you want. Called competitive advantage. I am sure Relion didn’t come cheap. JMO Bob
Tell me where has a slow movin' once quick draw outlaw got to go
maybe you need to go read the actual data sheet link that I posted for the rb100 hp before they changed it to suit there standards. Seems the specs magically changed. What they didn't account for was the real data sheet being still posted on. RELIONS dealers sites. Bloodman gets it.....
I read the entire document including the date on it. It is 2 years old. Thats why I went to the Relion’s site. Spec’s change over time. The IPS ratings get updated as well. Regardless when they got changed, a company is trying to keep up with newer standards and have to update things. And can change, update or do whatever they like with their spec’s. They must report numbers they can back-up. The others sites are not updated by Relion. I have no dog in this fight, just don’t see anything wrong with companies leveraging their holdings for a competitive advantage.
Bob
Tell me where has a slow movin' once quick draw outlaw got to go
I dont see it as a competitive advantage at all. Pricing a 100 amp lithium without bluetooth at $1150 is a disadvantage. Tweaking specs to somehow limit competition is below the surface. (Funny how the specs are exactly the same as Merc requirements). Most all of us have experienced enough spammers and scammers by now to understand what its all about. Many many have also been using lithiums as starters for a long time from many brands without incident. Those that have done it, without the blessing of mother Mercury, have opened the door and blazed the trail. We all have a dog in the fight if you want to call it that because we use and trust these products. We should all be aware that there are many motives in the corporate world, not all of which are for our best interest. Why is Relion the only battery to meet Mercury specs. Maybe because Mercury and Relion are owned by the same company...lol. I get it.
We can all sleep a little better now knowing that what we've been using for years is good to go now.
The issue is they will will honor warranty their motors with Lithium now as they may not have prior. They have control over Relion and can be sure it will not cause issues as I am sure they have tested them with their motors. The specs are good with their motors. No it is not a coincidence, but with all the other batteries out there they don’t have control, other than demand the spec’s they know work for warranty coverage are the same. JMO Bob
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