Console electronics down help with fuse or circuit panel check

[bass.man65]

You are partially correct. There is a 6 gauge wire landed on the 30 amp breaker and it goes directly to the console terminal board. From that connection forward to the bow terminal board it's a 12 gauge wire as depicted in schematic. I have had a 2018 521 L and presently have a 2020 521 L. Electrical schematic is very accurate, it clearly shows a 12 gauge wire. If an owner wishes to add a second graph on front deck, a 12 gauge wire is insufficient.

Like I said I rig a 521L every year for this pro and this year boat 2021 Ranger has already wired it with 6 gauge wire and a 30 amp breaker. Further more on the 2021 this is not even on the schematic.thumbnail_ATT00001 (4).jpgthumbnail_IMG_20201224_102538178_HDR.jpgthumbnail_IMG_20201224_102618077_HDR.jpg

[grhodes674]

I ran again yesterday 8 hours with no issues. I am using Garmin LiveScope all day and a 12” Solix at the bow. The 15” Solix at the console is no longer rebooting during engine startup.

[electritek]

Like I said I rig a 521L every year for this pro and this year boat 2021 Ranger has already wired it with 6 gauge wire and a 30 amp breaker. Further more on the 2021 this is not even on the schematic.thumbnail_ATT00001 (4).jpgthumbnail_IMG_20201224_102538178_HDR.jpgthumbnail_IMG_20201224_102618077_HDR.jpg

Am sorry if I offended you in any way. I was only trying to assist grhodes674 to help determine his issues. He posted a JPG representing the electrical schematic of his rig, I made my suggestions based on that. It's actually normal to work from schematics, have been a union election for 40 years. To suggest I am 100% wrong is bold. I would suggest to you after examining the photo's you have posted as an installer you should purchase a custom harness for future installs. Picture #2 shows a crimp connection improperly crimped. It's crimped at the seam and crimped as non insulated! Whoever did that needs to take their tool back to Wal Mart! In addition, the photo of the bow panel terminal strip, that would be condemned and replaced by any quality installer, spade connectors are an inferior electrical connection. In addition, there are no fusible links visible visible in bow panel. A person of reasonable intelligence would only assume the weren't installed or butt spliced, another disaster. I would kindly suggest you might invest in a new wiring harness on future installs.

[JR19]

Am sorry if I offended you in any way. I was only trying to assist grhodes674 to help determine his issues. He posted a JPG representing the electrical schematic of his rig, I made my suggestions based on that. It's actually normal to work from schematics, have been a union election for 40 years. To suggest I am 100% wrong is bold. I would suggest to you after examining the photo's you have posted as an installer you should purchase a custom harness for future installs. Picture #2 shows a crimp connection improperly crimped. It's crimped at the seam and crimped as non insulated! Whoever did that needs to take their tool back to Wal Mart! In addition, the photo of the bow panel terminal strip, that would be condemned and replaced by any quality installer, spade connectors are an inferior electrical connection. In addition, there are no fusible links visible visible in bow panel. A person of reasonable intelligence would only assume the weren't installed or butt spliced, another disaster. I would kindly suggest you might invest in a new wiring harness on future installs.

An outsider looking in might think your statement is kind of harsh but I understand it. I don't claim to know a lot about electricity or wiring but I do have some formal training. The wiring might work but there is a more efficient way. Like you I think that crimp connection could be a lot better and I am also not a fan of spade push connectors. I had rather see a sub panel with fuses and ring terminals but you seldom see that in boat wiring.

[electritek]

An outsider looking in might think your statement is kind of harsh but I understand it. I don't claim to know a lot about electricity or wiring but I do have some formal training. The wiring might work but there is a more efficient way. Like you I think that crimp connection could be a lot better and I am also not a fan of spade push connectors. I had rather see a sub panel with fuses and ring terminals but you seldom see that in boat wiring.

I apologize if my comments appear harsh. grhodes674 has a new Ranger 521L. His problems are related to poor installation/wiring/connectors! The new electronics on rigs requires proper wiring and connections for optimum performance. Crimped connectors, butt splices, spade connectors are inferior connection devices-- It raises my blood pressure when I see this stuff. It's shameful!! Installers should be held to a higher standard.

[JR19]

zero apology necessary to me...I know you have formal training as a union electrician and I have formal training as an industrial maintenance technician. My comment of an "outsider looking in might think your statement is kind of harsh" was actually meant as I personally know where your coming from but people who are not familiar with ohms law and electrical procedures might not have a full understanding of things being said so they may not fully understand why some things are being said. Now that statement is not meant to be-little anyone nor do I claim to be a know it all electrician....I am simply someone who knows a little about it and I am a little familiar with electrical terms and how things may work better one way verses the other.

[electritek]

zero apology necessary to me...I know you have formal training as a union electrician and I have formal training as an industrial maintenance technician. My comment of an "outsider looking in might think your statement is kind of harsh" was actually meant as I personally know where your coming from but people who are not familiar with ohms law and electrical procedures might not have a full understanding of things being said so they may not fully understand why some things are being said. Now that statement is not meant to be-little anyone nor do I claim to be a know it all electrician....I am simply someone who knows a little about it and I am a little familiar with electrical terms and how things may work better one way verses the other.

We have butted heads in the past cuz of your frequent recommendation's for new custom wiring harness. As more and more people have issues related to poor install, I am starting to form the opinion this is the proper way to go for the everyday boat owner wishing to upgrade. I also think Humminbird, Lowrance and Garmin should up their game and offer training courses and certificates. With the increasing demands on our electronics, proper installation, wiring size, and connectors is critical for performance.

[JR19]

Agree 100%...its not like wiring up 2D sonar from 15 years ago. What's being wired today is more like a home computer with a processor and that has a totally different demand in power and how that power is supplied. Image if a person wanted to run their home PC on a 12V battery what would be required. Comparing todays electronics demands to yesterdays electronic demands is like comparing an 1998 carburetor Yamaha V MAX to a 2020 Yamaha SHO...yes they both do similar jobs but the requirements they have to keep them running at peak efficiency is different.

[BoilermakerZ519]

The issue I have with these vendors hawking these wiring harnesses is that they are essentially excessively high priced wires, so it seems as if people are being duped to thinking they are buying something “special”. Until I see technical data/measurements showing me the benefit of these “harnesses” compared to well crimped marine wires you can buy for a fraction of the price, I think it is fair for people to be made aware of this.

I am in need of running some dedicated power to my livescope box and went to gregsmarinewiresupply.com to buy a custom cut and terminaled 8 gauge marine wire. Over 20 feet at 25% the cost of one of these harnesses and (I bet) no discernible difference in performance. It was so easy to do. (And no I don’t work for Greg’s Marine).

assuming people are not stupid I then assume people are buying due to the convenience ...that is a hell of a premium for convenience which makes me question my first assumption. To each their own....actually I just came up w a great business plan. Tell me the expected run length, what you are powering to ensure proper gauge, what terminal end size you need and I will set you up for 50% the cost of these special “harnesses”.

whats that saying? A fool and his money are soon parted...unless I am missing something...this couldn’t be truer in this instance.

Disclaimer...I am NOT an electrician. I AM an engineering graduate who remains scarred from having to take 400 level electrical engineering coursework as part of my degree. This means I have a working and theoretical understanding of circuits, op amps, diodes but no hands-on experience like you electricians which is far more useful imo.

I AM a discerning consumer who hates spending more than I need to and have a strong distaste for people trying to take advantage of others. Apologies if I seem a bit sore as I feel we as fishermen should be getting far more value for the money we are schilling out for our electronics....and this harness bit just takes the cake.

[bass.man65]

Am sorry if I offended you in any way. I was only trying to assist grhodes674 to help determine his issues. He posted a JPG representing the electrical schematic of his rig, I made my suggestions based on that. It's actually normal to work from schematics, have been a union election for 40 years. To suggest I am 100% wrong is bold. I would suggest to you after examining the photo's you have posted as an installer you should purchase a custom harness for future installs. Picture #2 shows a crimp connection improperly crimped. It's crimped at the seam and crimped as non insulated! Whoever did that needs to take their tool back to Wal Mart! In addition, the photo of the bow panel terminal strip, that would be condemned and replaced by any quality installer, spade connectors are an inferior electrical connection. In addition, there are no fusible links visible visible in bow panel. A person of reasonable intelligence would only assume the weren't installed or butt spliced, another disaster. I would kindly suggest you might invest in a new wiring harness on future installs.

Not offended at all. As far as saying you where 100 % wrong that was referring to your comment saying Ranger does not run 6 gauge dedicated wiring for electronics when they do as of 2021. What the pictures are showing is the new 6 gauge dedicated electronics wiring ran to console and bow from Ranger on a 2021 L series. Photos are from the new boat nothing had been installed at that time. It's a good start from them and you can modify it anyway you would like.

[22RangerZ520R]

Installed the SeaClear power harness in my boat and it solved my issue with my Solix 15 not powering up.