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[bdog7198]

My gym has a class for recovering addicts during time when I workout. I have sat down with them and discussed this issue. 9 out of 10 say they would have never tried drugs if they didnt run around with the wrong crowd. The others were prescribed narcotics from a doctor.

Oh, was not arguing one way or another on that comment. I just find it interesting when someone tries to explain anything, anything at all, by saying for them its a certain way so it just has to be that way for everyone.

Would be interested to hear their thoughts on people who tried drugs and got addicted versus those who tried and did not get addicted. The discussion of a predisposition to become addicted is not the initial trying but the chance of it becoming an addition.

[BP in ME]

Would be interested to hear their thoughts on people who tried drugs and got addicted versus those who tried and did not get addicted. The discussion of a predisposition to become addicted is not the initial trying but the chance of it becoming an addition.

I agree. What percentage of the "wrong crowd" is now addicted vs those that can use it to party and walk away any time?

[rjvana]

[QUOTE=WalkerB;10101935]From a law enforcement standpoint I dont believe it's a disease. It's an addiction. What blows my mind is people know what it does to their bodies yet they continue to do it.

I am a recovered alcoholic 20 years sober. Back then I had a choice but I didn't want to quit drinking, I liked it. But then when I decided I had had enough I tried to do it on my own to no avail. All those years I kept saying I am not a Alcoholic I can quit anytime, I was just fooling myself. I know now that if I have one drink my body would and brain would try to make up for the years that I been sober . No one wakes up and says I think I will become and Alcoholic or a drug addict. I out of 5 brothers am the only one that drank to excess, My mom or dad never touch the stuff so it wasn't hereditary. It was my choice to drink and I became addicted. No one subjected me to it. I quit smoking with no problem but quit drinking was different. I owe a lot to the Kaiser Foundation for there out patient recovery program.

[kry29]

Oh, was not arguing one way or another on that comment. I just find it interesting when someone tries to explain anything, anything at all, by saying for them its a certain way so it just has to be that way for everyone.

Would be interested to hear their thoughts on people who tried drugs and got addicted versus those who tried and did not get addicted. The discussion of a predisposition to become addicted is not the initial trying but the chance of it becoming an addition.

I did. More than try to, had my fair share and know LOTS of people that did as well. Out of probably an easy 30-40 I know one that claimed an addictive personality. You know why, because after 3 or 4 rehab stays they kept telling him that until he started blaming his problems on it. That wasnt his problem at all. He just couldn't handle drinking and partying without wanting to hit the rock. All the other people would all say the wrong crowd is why they did it, plus it was fun at the time. All of those people have moved on with some still smoking some pot.
I do have a question. If a person has an addictive personality, or chemical imbalance why arent they addicted to everything? Why do we have this view of addiction towards drugs and when somebody says they are addicted to volunteering for their church it's not viewed as an addiction? Could it be the same reason we are lied to like the drug companies do about addictive meds and such? The same drug companies making addictive drugs can make the drugs to break the addiction? Coincidence?

[1781ccT]

Did you have to make the decision one way or the other? Ever try to connect two male ends of a garden hose together? It dosen't work and wasn't designed to that's why the faucet has a female coupler and the garden hose has a male coupler by design.

Just what kind of transgendered faucets y'all running down there? All the faucets 'round these parts are male

[Cestratton]

Just what kind of transgendered faucets y'all running down there? All the faucets 'round these parts are male

Wasn't thinking at the moment, but concept is still the same.

[1781ccT]

So they're like the Green New Deal folks... The sky is falling and the earth is gonna spontaneously combust if we don't do something in 10 years... If they can't give cold data then the fact don't support the accusations... Dan

Uh, what? I didn't say "they" don't have any data. I said *I* don't know of any data on the number of people that become addicted while under a physician's care. I don't know of any data because I didn't go look for it. Where's your data saying they aren't becoming addicted while under a physician's care?

But my point, in case it was overlooked while searching for citations, was that all of the overdoses related to prescription drugs were, in some way, physician-assisted in that a physician prescribed the drugs for them to have gotten out to the public. The people taking the drugs might not be under the physician who wrote the prescription, but a physician was responsible for writing that prescription. And in the very real examples I gave, there was clearly a scheme in place by which physicians knowingly prescribed drugs to people in quantities they knew could not possibly be for personal use.

[1781ccT]

Wasn't thinking at the moment, but concept is still the same.

[bdog7198]

I did. More than try to, had my fair share and know LOTS of people that did as well. Out of probably an easy 30-40 I know one that claimed an addictive personality. You know why, because after 3 or 4 rehab stays they kept telling him that until he started blaming his problems on it. That wasnt his problem at all. He just couldn't handle drinking and partying without wanting to hit the rock. All the other people would all say the wrong crowd is why they did it, plus it was fun at the time. All of those people have moved on with some still smoking some pot.
I do have a question. If a person has an addictive personality, or chemical imbalance why arent they addicted to everything? Why do we have this view of addiction towards drugs and when somebody says they are addicted to volunteering for their church it's not viewed as an addiction? Could it be the same reason we are lied to like the drug companies do about addictive meds and such? The same drug companies making addictive drugs can make the drugs to break the addiction? Coincidence?

The answer to why they are not addicted to everything is the same answer as to why not everyone likes the same food, or the same color. Everyone is different and in addition the chemical imbalance which may lead them to easy addiction to one thing may not have an effect on a different substance. The receptors are different.

And no the same drug companies which make a potentially addiction drug making another which may help with breaking it is not a coincidence. It is what they do, a drug company making drugs.

[kry29]

The answer to why they are not addicted to everything is the same answer as to why not everyone likes the same food, or the same color. Everyone is different and in addition the chemical imbalance which may lead them to easy addiction to one thing may not have an effect on a different substance. The receptors are different.

And no the same drug companies which make a potentially addiction drug making another which may help with breaking it is not a coincidence. It is what they do, a drug company making drugs.

I get your answer but honestly I'm not sure yet. The "science" says its uncontrollable, right? So a person lives 15, 20 years and then just gets addicted to dope? I just dont see it. You would also think as a child, when we cant control everything that this personality would be extreme and all throughout adolescence. I would also say if you haven't really had that high, the one you chase, then it would be really hard to see that it's a choice. That's not knocking you or anybody's conclusions, but it's hard to explain it.

[rds_nc]

I skimmed thru most of the posts (trying to figure out what happened to TJ) and one thing I noticed is that almost everyone simply wants to play the blame game. Plenty of finger pointing. No one brought up any solutions to the opioid problem or the second half of the original question. Just say no and throwing folks in jail isn't working so what else?

[bdog7198]

I get your answer but honestly I'm not sure yet. The "science" says its uncontrollable, right? So a person lives 15, 20 years and then just gets addicted to dope? I just dont see it. You would also think as a child, when we cant control everything that this personality would be extreme and all throughout adolescence. I would also say if you haven't really had that high, the one you chase, then it would be really hard to see that it's a choice. That's not knocking you or anybody's conclusions, but it's hard to explain it.

How can a child be addicted to something they never had? Some people try something and enjoy it then walk away some cannot.

How many, even on here, enjoy a good cold beer and then not have one for weeks while others have to have beer every night?

[jigman51]

I can't figure out who the people are who think the following; "Wow, I have heard so many good things about heroin, I think I'll try it. Hey, when you get through with that needle could you fix me up. Aids doesn't get transferred like this does it?

Peer pressure and families falling apart cause most of the problems we deal with in our society. I could easily spot the kids in high school who would end up having problems. I have been right a very high percentage of time.

[bobh4656]

Young people are often self destructive. It's not surprising that given an opportunity to do harm, how ever unintentional, that they engage in it.
One big issue is the prevalence of drugs in society. They are easy to get and easy to use.
Schools don't do a good job teaching self denial. Neither does society at large.
I think that until some things are changed deaths by over dose will continue.
One thing for sure, if some one dies as a result from taking drugs the legal system is pretty much done with that.

[Cestratton]

I'll say this, in high school and college I experimented with this and that but never became "hooked". I cant think of a single buddy in college that I ran with that became "hooked". But I can name several that I ran with in high school that didn't go to college that are in prison, been to prison, never left home town, and are thieving go nowhere losers still to this day so how do we explain that?

[sdbrison]

How can a child be addicted to something they never had? Some people try something and enjoy it then walk away some cannot.

Disagree. Everyone can walk away if they choose to do so. It may not be as easy for some as others but everyone can.

[HaulinBass]

I'll say this, in high school and college I experimented with this and that but never became "hooked". I cant think of a single buddy in college that I ran with that became "hooked". But I can name several that I ran with in high school that didn't go to college that are in prison, been to prison, never left home town, and are thieving go nowhere losers still to this day so how do we explain that?

And some came from homes that gave them every advantage socially and economically to do well in life. But made choices contrary to being responsible.

[Nova Kaw 650]

Disagree. Everyone can walk away if they choose to do so. It may not be as easy for some as others but everyone can.

Everyone? Walk away?? Umm.... no.
I don't agree that addiction is a disease, because most that are addicted knew there was a risk before they started, but.......
I know gamblers, drinkers, druggies that lost everything they had; if they could have simply "walked away", they would have. If you have never experienced addiction, all you can do is guess what it's like.
I had an acquaintance that was a very successful and well known surgeon. He became addicted to painkillers after experiencing severe back pain while doing surgeries. After trying everything, his "walking away" was ending his life by OD'ing on heroin.

[LewStulePH.D.]

Q: If a person is prescribed a medication for their Diabetes and told "You'll have to take these the rest of Your life.." is that the same as a person who has Chronic Pain and is prescribed a medication for their Chronic Pain and told "You'll have to take these for the rest of Your life or until a surgery comes along.." ?

Are these 2 the same?


* Luckily I started on the Amla; Holy Basil and will never NEED a Diabetes drug...

https://www.masteringdiabetes.org/am...e-antioxidant/
https://www.healthline.com/health/fo...basil-benefits
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...andha-benefits

[Oncebitten]

I skimmed thru most of the posts (trying to figure out what happened to TJ) and one thing I noticed is that almost everyone simply wants to play the blame game. Plenty of finger pointing. No one brought up any solutions to the opioid problem or the second half of the original question. Just say no and throwing folks in jail isn't working so what else?

Some would say stop using NARCAN. Pretty soon all the junkies that OD will be dead. The opioid problem would at least be on a smaller scale.

A tad harsh however...