2.8 keitech on 1/8 ball head in the winter and 3.3 to 5 keitech on 1/4-1 oz plain football head. Usually 1/2 oz. There's times during the dog days that the 1oz gets down around the edges of deeper points quicker. 90% of the time it's the blue/green/chartreuse. The other times white, shad, or Houdini. Our water is mostly stained to muddy year long.