Unbelievable

[KWH]

Did you read the bill unlike Pelosi and her cronies

Just asking

[Blazer1]

<table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by KWH &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Did you read the bill unlike Pelosi and her cronies

Just asking</td></tr></table>

No I didn't but I have had enough experience with the medical and insurance communities to know that if unregulated..........we will be the ones who suffer.

Hell, the doctors want the insurance companies regulated and the insurance companies want the doctors regulated.

We can keep arguing that one side is right and one side is wrong but I can assure you that the real issue with this original thread, is that doctors and insurance companies are making these decisions.

I would think we would all want to stop that practice and the only way that happens is if the government does step into this and tells them that there aren't anymore evaluations regarding who gets care.

It's an expectation I have of our government and would think we all would. Of course, we have to get past the politics they throw into the fray, to keep us off task. Again, there goes that unity thing I keep talking about.

[ChrisH]

<table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by c rig &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote"> Before everyone jumps up and down screaming, then charges the front gates of that hospital waving flaming torches, you all need to step back and re-evaluate this whole story. It's missing a lot of important parts.

How old is the child? How severe is the level of retardation? What other co-morbidities does the child have, and what's the life expectancy of the child even with the transplant? How old or otherwise sickly are the parents? Who's going to be there for the rest of the child's life to give him/her anti-rejection meds? How are those meds going to impact other physical problems the child likely has?

It may sound cold on the surface, but a lot has to be taken into account when dealing with transplants, and even the health of the living donor has to be taken into account.

Again, yes, it sounds cold...but nothing involving organ transplantation is cheap. Organs aren't transplanted into extremely elderly people, or those who can't manage the regimen of medication and followups, because essentially it's a waste of resources when the patient either dies from another malady, or winds up back in the hospital dying because they didn't take their meds.

Those parents are perfectly free to take that child to another hospital, and consult other doctors. Of course, they have to be willing to understand that that hospital will likely also turn them down.</td></tr></table>yep. my wife works with kids everyday who have been denied transplants due to poor management. kids that will live on dialysis for the rest of their lives because their parents are too busy doing other things besides takling care of their kids.

friend of mine adopted a special needs child 10 years ago. he has mental deficits as well as heart failure. he will never get a heart because he has nothing to contribute to society.

its very sad but true. their arent enough organs to go around to the people who need them. if you could just grow a heart or a liver or some lungs and put them into people that would be awesome but its not the case.

i have no idea what the details of this particular case is but people are rejected everyday.

[willfish4food]

<table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by ChrisH &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">y

friend of mine adopted a special needs child 10 years ago. he has mental deficits as well as heart failure. he will never get a heart because he has nothing to contribute to society.

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Exactly what does one have to contribute to society to qualify for a transplant.

[ChrisH]

<table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by willfish4food &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">
Exactly what does one have to contribute to society to qualify for a transplant.</td></tr></table>to be an income earner. to be responsible to take care of himself and not depend on someone else. i dont agree with it but its the truth when it come to organs

[unklenew]

<table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by willfish4food &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Exactly what does one have to contribute to society to qualify for a transplant.</td></tr></table>

I know one that's done a lot for the nurses and doctors that have had the privalege of taking care of her. My sister included ....................... It's a very slippery slope "evaluating worth". And Chris, you know I consider you a friend, but that definition should carry no weight if a family member is donating the organ.

[slonezp]

<table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by ChrisH &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">to be an income earner. to be responsible to take care of himself and not depend on someone else. i dont agree with it but its the truth when it come to organs</td></tr></table>
Obama supporters?
My brother passed away 9 years ago at the age of 35. He was born mentally retarded and that didn't make him any less of a human being than you or I or the Dr. who denied that girl her transplant. I can only thank God for the happimess he brought us as any "normal" kid would have. He may not have contributed much to society but there are many more worthless people with fully functioning brains bleeding off the gubmints teat.
Here's a pic, taken probably 20 ago. My brother is the guy not wearing the Tennessee hat. You all should know who the guy is, wearing the hat. A class act.

[ChrisH]

<table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by unklenew &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">

I know one that's done a lot for the nurses and doctors that have had the privalege of taking care of her. My sister included ....................... It's a very slippery slope "evaluating worth". And Chris, you know I consider you a friend, but that definition should carry no weight if a family member is donating the organ.


</td></tr></table>Jim, I completely agree. I'm just telling you how its done. I do not agree at all.

[tnjavelin]

And most of you challenge regulated healthcare. lol

Pssst.....America.....WAKE THE F#$% UP!

[cowtrimmer]

I would almost bet that there is more to this doctor/hospital decision to not go through with this procedure than the persons mental capacity. It does make for good propaganda for the "We VS Them" crowd. There are transplant hospitals and facilities all over the country. I'm sure if enough effort was put in that they could find one and not focus all their negative energy on the doctor with the "brown pudgy face" and the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

[tnjavelin]

^ +1

[richard stone]

My daughter passed away on 11/17/10 at 19 months old(thats her in my avatar). She had a severe seizure disorder that had no diagnosis since she was born. We spent much of her time on earth doing therapies, doctors appointments, and in the hospital. Her outlook for the future was for a difficult life, she was not going to have a normal life or be "productive" in society. All that said, she was still our daughter, and we were going to do anything possible to give her the best life we could give her, we were not going to give up on here. It's easy to say what you would do or what you think is best when you have never been through it. I know, because if you would asked me years ago I would have said the same thing many of you are saying (or thinking). Look at your kids, and think about what you would have done if it was them in the story, what would you have wanted for them. That descision should not be up to any doctor, hospital, or government.

[c rig]

I've already posted on this topic, then went and did some research. Like I figured, there's a lot more to the story than's being discussed here. It's easy for someone to post a story on a blog, stir emotions, then have it spread to other blogs and websites...but reality is always a different story.

The cold reality...CHOP isn't denying the transplant strictly because the child is mentally delayed.

The child is Hepatitis C Positive. The child is HIV positive.

The child isn't just "mentally delayed", she has severe brain damage to the point she'll always be at the level of a baby. She can't sit upright on her own, she has to be strapped into a special chair that holds her upright.

The parents are older than you would expect, leaving the question of who's going to take care of her as she gets older.

There currently is no family donor available, they haven't even been tested.

A kidney transplanted into this child would have a life span of 10-12 years, max...at which time she would need another transplant. Her liver's already damaged from Hep C, the anti-rejection meds she would have to be on would destroy what's left of her liver. Do you then transplant a donor liver into her?

This child will be at the level of an infant for however long the rest of her life is. That means if she lives to 20, she'll be essentially an infant in a 20 year old body. There's legitimate question as to who will be taking care of the child since the parents are up in age...in other words, the child will wind up institutionalized if she survives that long.

Hospitals like CHOP exist, and are funded by charitible giving to give care to those who otherwise can't afford it, or can't find specialists in the area they live in. Whether people like it or not, it's a tremendous waste of resources to expend giving an organ transplant to someone whose best case scenario is going to live as a total care infant with a reduced lifespan due to other co-morbidities.

The hospital told the family they were free to get second opinions, and try to find another hospital and medical staff that would be willing to do a transplant...the family refused, and instead demanded that CHOP do the transplant. Either the family doesn't want to miss out on the free care, or they know full well that they aren't going to find anyone else to do the transplant...pur and simple.