New to me boat, Do I have set up issues?

[GregInAtl]

OK, I wanna be sure I am not looking for more than I should expect out of my rig. I just got an 06 201XL w/ a 225 Yamaha. It has a Hydro jack plate, and is loaded w/ all the cool stuff. I love it. I was expecting it to be smooth and fast, its only smooth. Here is what I have tried while running Guntersville during a local club tourney,

Each scenerio Boat w/ 1/2 tank, livewells empty, tournament weight w/ 2 guys and gear, all speeds GPS;

27p prop, j/p bottomed out, trimmed to the sky = 64 mph, no chine, no rooster tail
27p prop, j/p up 1", (3.25 below pad)trimmed to the top= 65.5, a little chine, no rooster tail
27p prop, j/p up 2" (2.25" below pad), trimmed to the top= 65.8 mph, giant rooster tail, no chine again
27p prop, j/p up 3", (1.25 below pad) trimmed to the top= 64 mph, chine like a mofo but 16 psi still
27p prop, j/p up 4", (.25 below pad) trimmed all the way up= 64.7 mph, no chine again, 15 psi

25p prop, j/p up 1", trimmed up to the top= 68 mph, no chine, no rooster
25p prop, j/p up 2", trimmed all the way up= 69.8mph, a little chine, no rooster tail at all
25p prop, j/p up 3", trimmed all the way up= 67.5 mph, more chine, big rooster

So, how fast can I get this boat to run? All my buddies have similar set ups w/ skeeter, ranger, or bass cat and go mid 70s. Heck there is a 20' stratos w/ a 200 and a skeeter w/ a 200 that are low 70s. I know I can go to 1/4" increments on the j/p, and being hydro is a blessing and a curse. I read a million set ups looking for one similar, and it seems to be that mine is slow.
What can I do?


Modified by GregInAtl at 5:37 PM 10/12/2009

[jmwest95]

I don't have a 201, but all the reading and research I did on them before I bought my 195 tells me you should be running mid 70s. My 195 w/ 200 will hit 70 pretty sure and you should be out running that easily. Like you said, it should be smooth and fast.

The guys here will chime in and should be able to help you out. Might check the link below and read through some of the set ups and speeds to give you an idea of where you should be.

http://www.bassboatcentral.com/stratos1.htm

[Javelin389]

Moving the jack an inch at a time isn't helping things. A 1/4 of an inch can make all the difference in the world. As can the type of prop you're running. Put the 27 on, start at 3" below pad and see what happens. That seems to be the normal starting spot for fine tuning.

[Flipping57]

You need to post RPM's. I would say out of the two props you ran that the 25 is by far the best for your rig. I don't understand your comment on the hydro jackplate being a blessing and a curse, it should only be a blessing.

Here is what I would do. Run the boat with a normal load (by yourself or with a partner). Put the 25 pitch prop on it, and get it running wide open throttle with the plate set at your 2" measurement. It would be good if you would measure from the propshaft to the pad and post that. After you get it running wot watch your speed and bump your plate down 1/4" if your speed goes up bump it up down another 1/4" keep doing this until you loose speed. If your speed goes down when you bump it down the first time bump it up the 1/4" you went down plus another 1/4" until you loose speed. This is how you will find the sweet spot. I feel like with that boat and motor the speed you ran (69.8) with the 25 pitch prop is going to be pretty close to where it is going to run.

[Jason Phillips]

The only other thing to keep in mind is that you are pushing the boat with a 225 instead of the 250 Yammie like most 201's come with. That will be 3+ mph difference in itself.

[candojoe]

Bump the trim back down a little sometimes the yamaha will actually give you a touch too much trim.

[GregInAtl]

OK, I did the ole pad to shaft measurement. The 25p is running best at 2.25" below, which is 2" up on the j/p. I did learn somethings about the motor, tell me what you guys think.
The motor is an 06, has 60 hrs on it, 31 of them at idle.....WHAT?! Yeah! So I bet I am dealing w/ fouled plugs and some carbon build up. It takes 4-5 times cranking it each morning to get it to actually idle....very cold natured.
Any opinions?!

[GregInAtl]

Mercury's prop selector results are below.... it says go w/ a 27...how is the Tempest plus diff from the yamaha that was a dog on my boat?!

https://appcenter.mercurymarin...el.do

Boat Specifications
Boat Type: Bass
Wide Open Throttle RPM: 5850
Current Propeller Pitch: 25
Current Top Speed: 69
Performance Goal: Top Speed
Altitude (ft. above sea level): 0

Engine Manufacturer: Yamaha
Engine Type: Outboard
Year: 2006
Number of Drives: Single

Engine: VMax 225 HPDI
Drive: Yamaha 150-300 hp 2-Stroke 1.75 Ratio
Gear Ratio: 1.75

Propeller Recommendation(s)
Click propeller logo for more information
Propeller Material Blades Diameter Pitch Rotation Part #
Tempest Plus Stainless Steel 3 14.625 27.0 RH 48-825868A47

[Flipping57]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GregInAtl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK, I did the ole pad to shaft measurement. The 25p is running best at 2.25" below, which is 2" up on the j/p. I did learn somethings about the motor, tell me what you guys think.
The motor is an 06, has 60 hrs on it, 31 of them at idle.....WHAT?! Yeah! So I bet I am dealing w/ fouled plugs and some carbon build up. It takes 4-5 times cranking it each morning to get it to actually idle....very cold natured.
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Most people are shocked when they see how many hours thier motor has below 1000 rpm's. Think about it like this, if you idle for 10 mins you go about 1 mile. If you run WOT for 10 mins you go 10 to 12 miles. You can get some Seafoam and do a shock treatment and that should clear out any carbon build up. If the plugs are the original ones I would go ahead and put a set in it. It may help some, but it certainly wont hurt anything.

If you are only turning the 25 pitch prop 5850, I don't think going to a 27 will help you.

[Todd Morgan]

26 Tempest or Fury set at 3.25". Have the engine checked for wot. In all honesty, it's a 72 mph boat when all is right.

[GregInAtl]

I am glad to hear what you said. I got a 26p tempest plus today w/ hub kit, and will be headed to the lake sat to test and tune. I will report status.
I am also spraying a cleaner in the intake my Yamaha dealer gave me to get the carbon out, then putting in new plugs and a big fuel filter to help w/ ethanol.
Anything else I should consider?!

[Jason Phillips]

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Yep. Consider sending me the Grand National for a weekend.

[GregInAtl]

HAHA, can you drive an 11.** sec street car w/ a 140 db stereo, that sits 4" off the ground w/o going to jail, it ending up in the impound yard?! I barely can!

http://public.fotki.com/Allsta....html

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[Tom g]

I'm running an 04 201 with a 08 250HO using a 25p trophy plus. Turns 6000 in cool weather.. 6" jackplate ,23/4 below the pad. I'd think that yammie could turn a 25p 5800 at sealevel.

[Tom in Stl]

Dang, wish I had the time to do all the running you are to set your boat up right.

I'm getting 62-63 (GPS) out of my 201 with a 200 evinrude. My tach is out. I know I need to make some adjustments but can't do much without knowing how many RPM's I'm running. I do know I'm 3.25 below pad

[GregInAtl]

what prop are you runnin? Get the tach fixed, and check to see you are using all the rpms, than jack w/ the jack plate and "test and tune" 200 on a 201xl is a load...but I'd think 65 wouldn't be out of reach....maybe more w/ a nice blueprinted prop and some wrench and seat time.

[Jason Phillips]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GregInAtl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">HAHA, can you drive an 11.** sec street car w/ a 140 db stereo, that sits 4" off the ground w/o going to jail, it ending up in the impound yard?! I barely can!

http://public.fotki.com/Allsta....html

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As a matter of fact, I can. Only difference would be the turbo. I've ran a Cyclone, but not a modded T-type. I'm a Ford guy so the majority of what I've always ran has been Stangs.

Here's a little help with your pic. That is a beautiful car.

[GregInAtl]

Went to the lake today w/ new Tempest plus 26, at 5800 RPMs and 2" up on j/p only got 63 mph..... something is wrong.....boat sounds rough idles rough, and misfires at speed.....I left it at a local dealer for warranty service. Thank goodness Yamaha gave me thru 2012!

[stratos22ssextreme]

Nice car Greg

[GregInAtl]

I FINALLY got the boat to run;
I did a 25M Yamaha prop, 1.75 below pad, and got 73.2 mph gps in 1' chop. 5900 rpms, 1/4-1/2 tank gas, full tourney weight but only driver. I did trim it back down a tad to get more speed strangely.


Modified by GregInAtl at 3:10 PM 11/9/2009