I was trolling for striper the other day and was using a 11" flasher with a Threadfin Shad behind it on a 36" leader. I had a 10 ounce cannon ball weight. 50' down and 45' back. Occasionally you can see a flash of the 3-4" shad behind the flasher. I have my transducer mounted on a home made stick so I can rotate it. All the targets below at around 70' are small stripers and possibly shad.