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    PS21 Review

    I have been very skeptical about all this Panoptix stuff. The biggest reason is that I don't have a handle on the technology. Multi-Beam Phased Array. All these elements (they won't say how many), all on the same frequency (417 seems weird) and it will be able to not only show you fish out in front of you but also accurately depict how deep these fish are and how far away they are. Hogwash, or so I thought. That's what ignorance does for you. I may never have a grasp on the science but I do know one thing; THIS THING WORKS!!!!.

    Range
    The specs say the range is 100 ft. Well I don't know about that. I regularly see fish 60-70 ft away and hit the trolling motor and head to them. Sure enough, there they are. I see how deep they are so my strategy is to stop around 30 ft from them and cast to them or depending on how deep they are, cast past them and let the lure fall through them. I have seen fish 120 ft away that I was able to get to and catch. So I really can't say definitively what the range is. I can say definitively that 60-70 ft works reliably like a charm. I have complete confidence that when I spin the trolling motor around and don't see anything that I need to go somewhere else. My rating on this would have to be very good at this time comparing the actual range to the specs. The actual performance could be excellent as I get more experience with the PS21. At 60-70 ft I would say excellent.

    Showing fish
    The PS21 reliably shows fish at varying ranges. I only use it as intended as LiveVu Forward. I use other units for straight down. Regularly when I see fish on the SideVu, I stop and turn around and routinely find these fish with the PS21. This is new. I've not been able to reliably do this before because both the fish and I are moving and who knows in what direction the fish are going. I have previously used a 2D transducer mounted on a forward angle to help find them in combination with SideVu and StructureScan, but still it was a hit and miss proposition. With the PS21 I fully expect to find them every time. I can't say I find them 100% of the time, but the percentage is exceptionally high. The fish shown are just like the promotional videos. They are quite different than the 2D marks. When fish are schooled, like crappie and walleye and spotted bass, it can be sometimes be difficult to distinguish between a school of bait and school of fish. Often you can. Sometimes you can't. Still I rate the showing fish as excellent because it reliably displays both the distance to the fish and the depth the fish are at. My fishing is almost exclusively for suspended fish; walleye and crappie. This time of year it is crappie in open water. The best configuration for me has been to split screen my 7610 with PS21 on top and SideVu on the bottom half. That way if my aim is off a bit as I catch up to the fish the SideVu catches them. The PS21 and GT50-TM are mounted on the trolling motor. I will get together some screenshots for a later post.

    Interference
    Often when people put transducers on the trolling motor they have to deal with interference. I don't have any interference problems. I run a bunch of units and transducers. At the same times the PS21 is running, I am also running 107, 400, 200, 150, 230, 455 and 800 kHz. I do run a Minn Kota Edge 70 trolling motor as I have had interference problems with other units using other trolling motors. In my opinion Garmin has the best interference rejection on the market.

    Strategies and situations
    Here is a trick for you. If you idle around looking for fish, move out about 60-70 ft (or more) from the bank. You don't have to measure it, The Panoptix will do that for you. Now say the bank is on the right. Turn the trolling motor to point to the bank, not straight ahead. Now idle up the bank, watching the Panoptix for the fish between you and the bank.. Works real well. For me and my old age vision, this works better than looking at side sonar. The Panoptix gives big colorful returns.

    One other strategy. Set the range to 100 ft. Move out into the lake. Slowly swing the transducer from far right to far left slowly. Remember Spotlight Scan and how it's hard to find a good review of it. This is not Spotlight Scan. Using the PS21 you will see the fish and bait reliably.

    One area I fish has a huge amount of air bubbles in every direction. It's a major problem on 2D. On the PS21 the rising air bubbles show as vertical columns, totally different than fish. This is a major improvement. Another area I fish has major problems with floating debris and many areas I fish have leaves floating in the fall. Both of these situations present a problem for all brands of side sonar. The side sonar shows all this floating debris and it is very difficult to determine what is fish and what is trash. This is totally different with the PS21. It shows the floating debris, but it shows it on the surface totally separate from the fish underneath. This is another major benefit of the PS21.


    Summary
    This is a limited review as I have not been able to test its performance in deep water (around 100 ft or more) Our fish are not that deep now so there is no point in looking there. For that the PS31 would likely be required. But then, I don't know. I've not used it. I have read that the specs for it say 300 ft. So based on the performance of the PS21 specs at 100 ft the PS31 should be a killer. I've seen the Youtube videos and the Garmin promotional stuff on Panoptix. I don't think they have done it justice. Remember how Humminbird changed fishing with Side Imaging and how big a deal that was. This is much bigger than that and a complete game changer in fishing.

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    Nice write up!

    Im in love with my PS21. I have it mounted on an old trolling motor shaft at the side of the boat by the helm so I can move it independently from the trolling motor. Havent had much chance to use it yet but it is awesome. Ive seen larger targets like seals and diving birds to about 150 ft away. It reads bottom out to a good 250-300 ft.

    Had to send mine in for a warranty issue because of a screen artifact. Hoping to get it back this week.

    One thing I want to play with more is the mounting angle. When we were in shallow water we had it in the second position down. In that position it seemed to miss lures and targets that were right on the surface that were further out. I want to try it in the first click and see. When we went into deep water in the salt, we left it up int he first click so it was more horizontal. Thats when we could see seals sitting on the surface at over 100 feet out but lost them as they dived deep. Not sure if we lost them because of the angle or because they were too fast for us. Lucky its an easy thing to change the angle. Just need more time on the water.

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    Yep....awesome info. Figured the whole motoring thing with the tm turned on day one.....works awesome.

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    Excellent review and excellent thinking on incorporating technology for fish search.
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    Good job. ty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry3215 View Post
    One thing I want to play with more is the mounting angle.
    Larry. I neglected to mention mounting. First I mounted it up on the shaft of the trolling motor and guestimated the angle. Looked maybe okay, maybe some blocking from the torpedo of the trolling motor. Results were touch and go. Then I did three things. I moved it to the bottom of the trolling motor, set the angle to 45 (measured), and updated the software. It's working so well now, I'm afraid to touch it. While I love to experiment, it may be a long time before I move it even one click up or down.

    I'm not sure how the PS21 software is handled but since it shares it output via ethernet I expect it has its own. I just made sure it was plugged in the 7610,was up and working, before I did the last update. My guess is that the update also updated the PS21 internally. Maybe Troy or Todd can tell us if that's how it works or maybe you know?

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    Larry. I neglected to mention mounting. First I mounted it up on the shaft of the trolling motor and guestimated the angle. Looked maybe okay, maybe some blocking from the torpedo of the trolling motor. Results were touch and go. Then I did three things. I moved it to the bottom of the trolling motor, set the angle to 45 (measured), and updated the software. It's working so well now, I'm afraid to touch it. While I love to experiment, it may be a long time before I move it even one click up or down.

    I'm not sure how the PS21 software is handled but since it shares it output via ethernet I expect it has its own. I just made sure it was plugged in the 7610,was up and working, before I did the last update. My guess is that the update also updated the PS21 internally. Maybe Troy or Todd can tell us if that's how it works or maybe you know?
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    Can you take a pic to show how you mounted it?

    Quote Originally Posted by LWINCHESTER2 View Post
    Larry. I neglected to mention mounting. First I mounted it up on the shaft of the trolling motor and guestimated the angle. Looked maybe okay, maybe some blocking from the torpedo of the trolling motor. Results were touch and go. Then I did three things. I moved it to the bottom of the trolling motor, set the angle to 45 (measured), and updated the software. It's working so well now, I'm afraid to touch it. While I love to experiment, it may be a long time before I move it even one click up or down.

    I'm not sure how the PS21 software is handled but since it shares it output via ethernet I expect it has its own. I just made sure it was plugged in the 7610,was up and working, before I did the last update. My guess is that the update also updated the PS21 internally. Maybe Troy or Todd can tell us if that's how it works or maybe you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWINCHESTER2 View Post
    Larry. I neglected to mention mounting. First I mounted it up on the shaft of the trolling motor and guestimated the angle. Looked maybe okay, maybe some blocking from the torpedo of the trolling motor. Results were touch and go. Then I did three things. I moved it to the bottom of the trolling motor, set the angle to 45 (measured), and updated the software. It's working so well now, I'm afraid to touch it. While I love to experiment, it may be a long time before I move it even one click up or down.

    I'm not sure how the PS21 software is handled but since it shares it output via ethernet I expect it has its own. I just made sure it was plugged in the 7610,was up and working, before I did the last update. My guess is that the update also updated the PS21 internally. Maybe Troy or Todd can tell us if that's how it works or maybe you know?
    I dont know for sure, but the instructions said to be sure all network devices were plugged in and powered up, so thats what I did too.

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    Larry, I ran across a menu while looking for a way to make my gt52 the primary depth source for the map pages. Don't ask how I was in the ps21 page looking for this option...which I have not found yet....but there was a heading or ahrs calibration for the ps21 itself. Tried it twice doing 360's in a smooth water area but would not calibrate due to magnetic interference. Forgot to unplug the trolling motor during this whole process so will try it again next time on the water.

    Todd mentioned that the last big update would have a "display field" of the ps21 on the mapping page...would this be the prerequisite to making that triangular display field function work.

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    I havent had a chance to get mine back out on the water yet to try the calibration thing or to look for the direction indicator - where ever it is hidden. I am assuming a calibration will need to be done before any directional display would work - or at least before it would work correctly.

    Now that you mention your problems calibrating the compass - Im wondering if anyone with the PS21 - mounted on a trolling motor - will be able to get theirs calibrated properly? It does say something in the instructions about not mounting it on a trolling motor.

    I would think this would be like trying to mount your regular magnetic compass on a trolling motor. Even when its off, thats a huge chunk of metal very close to the magnetic sensor. When you power it up, its going to generate huge magnetic fields that fluctuate a LOT. I dont see how you could ever calibrate it accurately except - maybe - when its turned off. I kind of doubt it would work even then. As soon as you power the TM on, the indicated directions will probably go bat crazy.

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    I had mine plugged when i tried to calibrate...it actually tells you the amount of magnetic interference...mine was 6 percent. Got to figure unplugged it will calibrate...idk about it actually working with the motor under power.

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    6% doesnt sound all that bad. I guess we need to get more people out trying to do the calibration and see what is what. Have you called Garmin support about this yet?

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    No. Going to try it with tm unplugged first. Tm is in the shop getting a ground wire run inside the shaft...maybe that will help. Might be 6 mos from now...getting pounded, lakes already full, expect all ramps closed again, soon.
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    Bummer! Sounds like you live in the Pacific North West with me! We have had record breaking rain this "winter". Been raining pretty much every day for weeks and no sign of it letting up. Most of our ramps still work though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWINCHESTER2 View Post
    I'm not sure how the PS21 software is handled but since it shares it output via ethernet I expect it has its own. I just made sure it was plugged in the 7610,was up and working, before I did the last update. My guess is that the update also updated the PS21 internally. Maybe Troy or Todd can tell us if that's how it works or maybe you know?
    Yes, the Panoptix has it’s own software. Current version for the PS21 is 3.60. As you know, the updates come in a bundle, and all Ethernet and NMEA 2000 devices that are powered on are updated from one MFD. During the actual update, you can watch the screen as the system identifies each device that needs an update, then the progress of each. Go to Home, Settings, System, System Info, Garmin Devices (I think this is accurate, going from memory and not in front of unit) to view all your devices and software versions to be sure all is updated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusflyr View Post
    Todd mentioned that the last big update would have a "display field" of the ps21 on the mapping page...would this be the prerequisite to making that triangular display field function work.
    Yes, you must first calibrate the compass in the PS21 before you can view the "view cone".

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    So is that the only cone angle available or can you change it. Would br hard to pinpoint a target it would seem with that wide

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    Its not that hard. I just turn the PS21 back and forth and watch the screen. The target will get brighter and dimmer as you zero in on it.

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