I have a 07 225 etec ho--Went from a Lt LU to a new Mag 2 LU-- Had just done the 3oo hr ck up so my tech said I didnt need to change the water pump.(Save a few bucks)-- I have heard that the Mag 2 has more water pressure, but I am getting the same as with the LT at about 18-20 at WOT.---- Should the tech have changed out my waterpump---Is the water pump the same in the Mag 2 and the LT???
Seahorse or any of the great techs on this site!!!!--- Mag 2 water puimp question!!!! SEE BELOW :
why did you get a M2for replacement of your L2 on a 225 HO??? I thought that was only on the 250 HO???? Seahorse? Champion?
Right after i did my 300 hr ck up ,i hit a stump- insurance replace LU ---I went from original L1 to BRP's suggestion of a new M2.
Hmmmmmm...... I thought they were keeping the L2 on the 225 HO???
Hi, from 2011 only the 200HP "HO" and 150HP "HO" are coming STD with the L2 box. The 225HP thru to the 300HP are coming from new in 2011 with the M2 as STD which is stronger with low water pick-ups and is a better fit for most boats except race boats or very light weight hulls.
Bobby as for your original question, yes same water pump kit from L1 to M2, but get your tech to check for the correct P/N for the M2 gearbox kit that comes with shift shaft, new water outlet grommet and bolts. Also make sure he checks the gearcase alignment pins-all of this is explained in the 2011 product update booklet that he can source at bossweb or dealerport.
Cheers,
Huey.
Huey--- Thank ypu very much for the confirmation and guidance---I will definetely check with the tech on the items you brought up!!!!
I would differ with the opinion that the m2 will be "better" for all but lightweight hulls.
Better assumes we have agreed goals.
Losing significant top end speed to gain on holeshot and lower unit toughness is not a goal of mine.
Sorry to hijack but the M2 decision is a hot button issue and clearly cuts both ways on every boat brand I have seen here in the US.
BRP makes the motor I love but I think we outta paint this M2 decision fairly.
Hi, every one has an opinion and you are entitled to yours but what do you call significant loss of top speed, because everyone has different ideas of what is significant. I personally have not had the opportunity to try the exact same engine on the exact same boat with both the L2 and M2 box but from what I know the difference is not alot when dialled in corrrectly.
A good guide, on a popular brand of boat, is on the Evinrude wesbite where you can see the performance reports from a Ranger with a 250HP HO/L2 combo and the same model of boat with the M2 box. Top speed with the L2 was 74.4MPH while the M2 was 73.5MPH on the same model Ranger. The M2 engine accelerated harder and gave better fuel milage when comparing these two rigs, so I personally could live with a loss of less than 1MPH to gain a stronger gearbox with more cooling water to the powerhead and better acceleration. Yes I am sure for the "go fast" crowd and a very light weight race boat the M2 is not the best gearcase and yes I think BRP have dropped the ball a bit, but I guess it comes down to market and what is the market for such an outboard that most owners try to get the last out of and running at the ragged edge not much is needed to have a failure. My thoughts are that the guys that want to race and wnat to run an Evinrude will look at fitting another gearcase or modify the magnum one to suit there boat and that is what racing is all out, being prepared to work on a rig to get the last ounce of speed out of it and you know the risks.
Cheers,
Huey.
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I have heard that the Mag 2 has more water pressure, but I am getting the same as with the LT at about 18-20 at WOT.----
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Are you sure it was an M2 and not an older M style? The M2 has the extra water holes in the front of the "bullet". There should have been an M2 accessory kit installed that included a new shift lever and an exhaust grommet.
The M2's should be close to 30 psi or so.
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<table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by Huey »</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Hi, every one has an opinion and you are entitled to yours but what do you call significant loss of top speed, because everyone has different ideas of what is significant. I personally have not had the opportunity to try the exact same engine on the exact same boat with both the L2 and M2 box but from what I know the difference is not alot when dialled in corrrectly.
A good guide, on a popular brand of boat, is on the Evinrude wesbite where you can see the performance reports from a Ranger with a 250HP HO/L2 combo and the same model of boat with the M2 box. Top speed with the L2 was 74.4MPH while the M2 was 73.5MPH on the same model Ranger. The M2 engine accelerated harder and gave better fuel milage when comparing these two rigs, so I personally could live with a loss of less than 1MPH to gain a stronger gearbox with more cooling water to the powerhead and better acceleration. Yes I am sure for the "go fast" crowd and a very light weight race boat the M2 is not the best gearcase and yes I think BRP have dropped the ball a bit, but I guess it comes down to market and what is the market for such an outboard that most owners try to get the last out of and running at the ragged edge not much is needed to have a failure. My thoughts are that the guys that want to race and wnat to run an Evinrude will look at fitting another gearcase or modify the magnum one to suit there boat and that is what racing is all out, being prepared to work on a rig to get the last ounce of speed out of it and you know the risks.
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Huey,
The M2 is slower on my phoenix by about 4 mph, now I am hoping to get some of that back by getting a different prop worked. For me it is not a huge issue as I fish a lot of river systems and we dont run wide open for very far. The M2 is only slower because of the physical shape of it I feel. I put a tape measure to both types and there are significant differences. Durability is important and I think once I finally get it dialed in right then all will be good. The main issue I am having is I cant run this gearcase very high at all, it has to be jacked dang near all the way down which defeats the purpose of low water pickup.
I personally feel the problems with the L2 not getting water is more of a isolated problem with Ranger boats and maybe the way the water comes off the hull or something because I never once had my alarm go off running the L2 on the phoenix.
I am glad evinrude is doing something to keep us on the water, but I wish they would come up with a compromise between the 2 units to get us back that 3-5 mph on a boat not named ranger. But as you have said before it all has to do with Market and cost vs benefit.
The problem is us bass fisherman o ver the years have become obsessed with top end speed, and I admit I am one of them but I am trying to change my ways.
4-5 mph on a 2003 cougar FTD with recent repower from one etec to another.
5 mph on puma FTD with repower.
Slower on the above phoenix.
Neither are light high performance hulls.
I think if you talk to Ranger prostaff with BRP you will see much more than a 1mph fall in general.
Stronger gears? No question. Half the psi per tooth
Better low and mid range? Sure its a 1.86.
BRP has the tools to dominate like we all know they can and like we all want them to.
This version of the M2 is a work in progess but I am gonna wait for the next one
Thanks Seahorse- My boat is still at the shop waiting on that new Emm that we have talked about on another post, should be in and installed on Monday- I dont remember seeing a additional holes in the front of the bullet ,and I dam sure told them I wanted a Mag 2 and not a Mag. My water pressure like I said is around 20lbs max. I'm looking at my work ticket it says Mag 2 gearcase part# 5007668- with a shift rod part # 329864 a screw and an anode. Can Seahorse, Huey or anyone on the board tell me if these part #'s are for a M2????? Please help me out guys, I'm now concerned they put the wrong LU on my boat.
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and I dam sure told them I wanted a Mag 2 and not a Mag.
I'm looking at my work ticket it says Mag 2 gearcase part# 5007668- with a shift rod part # 329864 a screw and an anode.
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#5007668 is a blue Lightning L2 gearcase with a 1.86 ratio, not a Magnum M2. The shift rod part number is also for a Lightning gearcase. It may be time for a discussion with your dealer's people.
When an M2 gearcase is ordered to replace an L or L2 model, then an accessory kit has to ordered separately for either a 20" or 25" length motor. It consists of hardware, the correct shift shaft, and the triangular rubber exhaust grommet for the back of the motor. The grommet is a stronger version to handle the increased water pressures from the M2 gearcase.
Ask your service manager, parts person, and tech to refer to pages 28 & 73 of the <u>Product Service Update Book</u> for 2011. Every dealer was shipped one and the techs have to use it to take a factory service test online.
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Seahorse, You are the Man!!!-----Thank you!!!! I thought it had to be either a L2 or a M1 with the water pressure only getting to 18 psi--- You have confirmed my suspiciisions.---- Already been back to the dealer but of course the lady who does the ordering is not in on Saturdays---- Open ended question I know but, is the M2 that much better than the L2? If it was your motor would you leave the L2 on, or insist on the M2???
To me fishing in shallow water around Lafayette the m2 would have serious advantages on durability and holeshot. Top end will drop some but holeshot and midrange would be huge for me in skinny water on Pool 3. Been to St. Maurice myself-
Thanks that's the route I'm going.Now I'm being told the M2 is what's on my motor now-- The part #'s were for the Insurance quote, but BRP put a new M2 on my motor--- My question, why was I only getting 18 psi if its a M2 ???????????
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Now I'm being told the M2 is what's on my motor now--
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Does the front of your gearcase look like this and did the dealer install the new accessory kit required for installing the M2 on older motors? Look to see if you have a rib between the rubber exhaust outlet and the flushing port on the back of your motor.
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Seahorse-- Thanks!!--Yes it does have the holes-- I took a pic of the exhaust to see if its correct-- now if I can figure out how to post it on here!!!!!!
Seahorse-- Here you go, is this the correct exhaust for a 2007 with a new M2 gearcase--Can you tell by the pic-- excuse the pic as i'm far from a pro!!!!
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