2001 Champion Setup Help!

[jefrobie]

Hi all, I've described my setup to Mark Croxton below for you all to consider. I know this 206 is not a speed demon by any means, but I'd like to get it set up to it's potential and I know that's more than about 55 mph. Let me know what you think! Thanks, Jeff

Mark, have some more information. Not sure what to think of the setup, but I'll run it by you. My sense is the former owner had a pretty good setup & then kept tweaking to a fault? ( 201 Champion Elite, 225 yamaha, 68-69 mph @ 5800 rpm tourney loaded)....Said he had it @ 70mph on Lake Samamish, not too much above sea level. He was running a Yamaha prop and mentioned raising the motor. I know he also changed his prop out to a Mercury Tempest Plus, had it reworked/cleaned up and said he lost a couple of miles off the top end although he had a great hole shot)

Anyway, here is what i know for sure....

2001 206 Champion Elite
Altitude 2000
3.25 below pad
Mercury Tempest Plus 26P
WOT 5800-5900 RPMS w/6000 being too much rooster tail above cowling ( top rpm on this motor supposed to be 5500 and it's pretty easy to get to the 58-6000 unless tach is off)
GPS MPH 55! (although both my partner & I felt it was maybe low 60's. Not sure if GPS can be off?)
1/3 tank of fuel, tourney loaded with two big guys 225 & 260 lbs respectively

My guess....Motor too high & whoever reworked/cleaned up prop took pitch down? It has one plug out of prop, and it WILL blow out if I don't feather it up on plane. Even with that it has a great hole shot. The other aspect is it does not seem to be getting up on the pad. I have a lot of water spraying out right where I set on the boat, thought it should be behind. Also boat shoots almost as much water across the width of back of boat as it does the motor....

I'm definitely not an expert or even good layman as far as setups....Let me know what you think....

[B Holmes]

Hey jefrobie. I had a 03, 206 with a 225 opti. 68-69 mph is what that boat ran at 800 ft elevation loaded. I tested a few props on that boat and my results were the 26p tempest plus was the best of the props I tested. The 206 has a lot of weight forward in the hull. Your prop sounds a little suspect to me. I would try a demo 26p tempest plus first and see what it does, cant hurt and its free. Post your info on the props board and you will get help. BTW, nice boat, not a speed demon but IMO one of the best fishing platforms on the planet.

[Champ203]

I think the prop is history as well. Way too much slip. Also the big rooster tail indicates lack of efficiency. My 203 actually runs faster not trimmed all the way out...just takes some practice to find the sweet spot.

Peace,
Don<><

[jefrobie]

Mark has replied to me that in cleaning/polishing/repairing prop it sounds like they removed cup. Also mentioned that Champion boats don't like motor high? I've read here where Yammy's like motor high...I think I'll set motor down to 3.5 & send prop in to Mark to see if it can be worked, blueprinted, cup added or whatever. I've read where Pat comments on the 206 needing to be on a "diet" also. I don't have lot's of gear in it...Also got input from Mark that per Yamaha, the upper range of the 2001 Vmax is 6000... So....at 6000 rpms my rooster tail is WAY above cowling....Hopefully we'll get this boat to run where it's capable of...

[Bassin Bob71]

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Thats exactly what it sounds like to me. Don't give trying just one out of the box 26 Tempest. They are notoriously all over the map as far as performance goes. Good luck

[B Holmes]

Mark will get you fixed up on the prop. One thing I used to do with the 206 was to not fill the gas tank more than I needed to. The resevoirs I spend most of my time on arent more than 25 miles long. I usually wouldnt start with more than half a tank full. That extra 20 gallons is like adding a third person to the load. Be sure and keep us posted on your results.

[jefrobie]

Motor is at 3.25 below pad. Think I should try lowering it another .25 or so or just send prop into Mark to check out?

[B Holmes]

I dont think you will see a huge improvement by lowering your motor, allthough I do believe 3.5 below will be a better starting point once the prop is worked by Mark or another quality prop shop. If its not to much trouble it cant hurt to try.

[jefrobie]

My water pressure is currently very good @ WOT with the motor height where it is...It runs 25 lbs plus. I'm waiting on a reply from Mark but sounds like his turnaround is pretty quick so I probably should just get that prop off to him. Anyone else with a 206 that can get me your setup. i.e. where is motor set, prop & pitch etc...Been hoping maybe Pat would weigh in but maybe he doesn't work on the cadillac's....LOL

[BassinBarrister]

I have the same boat and engine. Top speed is 65 mph on gps. I have a Trophy 4 blade. Holehot is excellent and boat is locked on the water which I like. I'm 3.5 below pad. Altitude is 915.

[pmgoffjr]

Let the prop doctor do his job first, then run it. If you're still slipping and throwing a big tail, lower the motor down 1/4" at a time, you'll see the tail drop and bow lift increase, when you do, that'll be your special place. Be sure and tweak with a full load.

Your motor is currently too high for the prop you're running, big slip numbers are the symptom.

[jefrobie]

Pat thanks...I'm not sure what to ask Mark to do at this point. Just check and make sure prop is to spec for a 26 Tempest Plus? Or blueprint? Add cup? Kind of waiting for some diagnosis at this point as it looks like he's got quite a few options to offer j

[pmgoffjr]

Well then back up and find the best you can with what you've got. Find your best setup with that tempest, then get back with Mark on your results. Right now, your motor is too high for that prop, so something needs to be changed.

[jefrobie]

I'll lower that motor to 3.5 below pad. Run it out loaded, get more numbers and fish for the next couple of weeks then send it in to Mark to rework...Has a few nicks and needs to be cleaned up a bit anyway. I appreciate the input and help...

[kent61]

2001 206 225efi 25 tempest plus
65 mph 5500 rpms. 3 1/2 inches below pad.
Can turn a 23 tempest 5900 and 68 mph gps but mid-range fuel mileage suffers.

Listen to Pat, everything he has told me about my boat has been true.
Once you get it dialed in you'll enjoy it as long as out running bugs and cats isin't you goal. Great in the rough stuff. My boat really seams to come to life above 50mph, anything below that and it drives alittle heavy. Good luck.
Kent

[jefrobie]

Hopefully get out tomorrow and try a Yamaha 25P prop and then my current Tempest 26P with the motored lowered to 3.5 below pad. Planning on getting those numbers and then sending Tempest to Mark C to have it doctored...Found the setup library by Todd where a couple of 206's with same motor are set up to run 5800 RPM @ 68-69 MPH...If I can get there with this boat it's on to other upgrades! I've got some cool stuff coming from Iguana graphics next week & a troll well coming to install. I'll get some pics up....

[jefrobie]

Some new numbers! Took the Tempest down to about 3.5 below pad....Picked up about 3-4 MPH (58 mph @ 6000 rpm's)...Feels like prop is still slipping although it's lifting better and feels like it's on pad. Just can still turn too many r's and have to back off.

Then took my buddy's Yamaha 25T prop...Runs about the same top rpm...Can't really go WOT or I'll turn too many r's with that. Out of the hole better, better mid-range acceleration, prop does not seem to have the slip of the Tempest. Maybe a bit better top end speed, but pretty similar overall considering the Yamaha is a 25 also.

I think the boat needs the 26...But it needs to have some work on it...According to the setups library on this board, there are two other 206's with same motor and they are getting 68-69 w/tourney load. That means somehow I'm about 10 plus mph short of the potential of this boat.

Please weigh in if you have some experience. Should I go with the Yamaha in a 26 or go ahead and send this Tempest in to Mark. I think I have the engine height pretty close and I do have 25 lbs of water pressure very consistent also.... i know i could post this on the setups page, but hoping my Champion brethren here would be able to help a bit more boat specific. I did get 64 mph by myself with the Yamaha 25T, but running WOT and trimmed up there was way too high R's....Thanks for the help....Jeff

[jefrobie]

Prop is off to Mark. Looks like something may be off on prop... Interesting that one poster here has basically same setup and turns a Tempest 25 to get 5500 r's, whereas I'm turning 6000 and possibly more with a 26....Hopefully we'll see in a week. I'd like to find a Yamaha 26M to borrow and tie that on to see. The Yamaha 25M I tried was really nice except could turn too many r's...

[Charlie206]

The T1 is better than the M on a bass boat. I'm surprised by your R's, it doesn't add up. Do you know anyone who might loan you a Fury, it's an aggressive prop that will pull the R's down while giving speed and lift.

[jefrobie]

In communication with Mark Croxton, he said something has to be wrong with the 26 Tempest plus I have. Possibly whoever had it before had some cup taken out of it...Hopefully I'll know something by end of week. What prop are you running on your 206?....