survey 250 HO issues??

[munchie]

just curious if any others are having issues with their 250 HO with rpms and/or holeshots for an extended period of time.
i have been working on mine since april.

let me know if i am as alone as i feel

getting ready to fish the series at clark hill and dont feel good about dragging the piece of crap down the highway.

[Huey]

Hi, in "my neck of the woods" the "pieces of crap"250HO are beating all comers and breaking all records in the ski race scene especially on courses with a few bends where the extra torque of the 3.4L block is better for steady high speed instead of the other main player-the 3.0L OPTIs in the 250HP class.

I hope you get it dialled in with jacking plate height and prop tweaks and I think if you are using the amount of oil claimed in another post that would be a good place to start.

Cheers,

Huey.

[ChampioNman]

Call Greene's marine in Shelby on your way down and have them give it a once over.

[dk239]

I to am having holeshot and topend issues with my 250 HO, My first one blew up and was replaced with a brand new powerhead. I had a issue with reduced power that was cause by my SI transducer that I thought was corrected but last week at Badin Lake I had the same problem again. This boat and engine combo is the hardest to prop I have ever had. When you see others with the same combo running totally different setups with totally different results it makes you wonder what the heck is going on!!!

[boogerdoc2]

Huey I imagine the emission standards are a little different in your neck of the woods.

[ddk]

I have an 08 201 with 250 HO on a 6 inch fixed plate. I love the boat and motor. I wish it had a better hole shot because it does take time to come out of the hole with two people when the live wells and gas tank are full. I am of the opinion that it is the nature of this boat and motor. I ran a 27 Tempest during the winter and switched to a 25 Tempest this summer. The 25 has helped my hole shot this summer and I am not hitting my rpm limit. I did lose 3 to 4 mph on top end. These 201's with the 250 HO's are still some of the quickest boats on the motor (excluding the Allison's, Stroker's and ect.). I would like to hear an opinion from someone who has a hydrolic jack plate. Do you have a hole shot problem? Concerning the motor - I have had to replace the number 3 and 4 injectors.

[quest290]

I do have a 250 ho in mine stratos 282 (here in brazil we do not have limited hp).
At first I had trouble with hole shot with mine 27 trophy (mod to a 29) but solved
in part with a little tweakening and playing with the pvs plugs. In fact you do have to let the prop ventilate a bit and reduce the pressure on the hotfoot when the boat
iniciate on plane. Otherwhise the engine is fine in spite we are using gas with 25%
ethanol. Only issue was changing mm because it wasn´t charging battery at 110 hs

[rodbender1]

I have an '09 evolution w/250HO and 8" Hydro plate and yep proping for holeshot is as hard as any combo I have ever seen.

I have tried a 26 Raker II, 28 Raker, 27 tempest, 27 Fury, 27 Hydromotive, and a Mark Croxton 26 prototype.

The Rakers suck out the hole period (and the 28 had PVS holes).

With the Tempest and the Fury, I have to run the plate all the way up, hammer the initial throttle hit and start down with the plate, all with the trim tucked. The Fury is acceptable to good and the Tempest is a little worse, just fair.

The Hydromotive was a rocket out of the hole, no matter where the plate was set ( of course it was worked, tweeked, balanced, with 8 pvs holes) $1000 investment.

The Croxton was also fantastic out the hole at any plate setting, rivals the Hydromotive.

I currently fun the Fury mostly, best hole shot, I sold the Hydromotive, was to thinned bladed and I was worried about its durability in these stump infest lakes of East Texas. The 28 Raker would scream on top when I could get it there (it was B&Bed). The Tempest is my backup. The 26 rakerII I just didn't like, to soft.

The Croxton prop is my favorite I plan on having a 26" for summer and a 27" for cooler months, when they become available.
I have a 26 Fury on the way anxious to try it, especially for the heat.

Below is a link to my post on some testing, these are real numbers not skewed or exagerated, logged just the other day.

http://www.bbcboards.net...mpest

[Garfish]

I hate to follow all you guys, especially those that love the new Croxton design. I have not tried it. But I've tried probably 20 props on my rig...NONE of the 3 blade props have produced any satisfactory hole shot but I did run a 27 Tempest P Mark worked for me to 78.6 and a 27 TXP worked by Mark to 79.1( both at 5850 rpm), but the only predictable thing was the poor to non existent holeshot. Once on plane they were a lot of fun. But if you want a prop that will work, buy a 28 BravoI and have dual PVS holes drilled (Mark can do this). I have a worked one (Mark) and another stock. The one mark worked comes out of the chute on the stomp at 4600 rpm and WILL NOT blow out, it just digs like a mother and with 2 guys and 1/2 tank of gas and live wells full it takes about 6 sec to break over, a couple sec better with just me. The stock one come out at 4000 with me and co with same tx load. Bottom line is it is a few mph slower than the best 3 blades but it does the job. I run with about 2 0r 3* of pos trim at 2" below the pad with 12" of total setback. I still have 3- 3 blade props I am trying with diff PVS combos but no conclusion on them yet. My boat hull weighs 1840# but is supposed to be one of the better X hulls.

[Huey]

Hi, we run a volentary emissions rating and we can still sell dirty engines, but the 250HO engine I get down under is the same as the ones sold in the States-our rating follows the CARB one, but BRP are putting pressure on the industry here to adopt the EU rating that regulates CO, but some other guys are not happy with that.

At the end of the day, all E-TEC whether sold to the authorities on Lake Bodensee or to the ski race guy here in Sydney or a bass fisherman in California they are the same.

Cheers,

Huey.

[munchie]

greens marine is kinda in the oppsite direction from clark hill, BUT if you really think that would help, i will gladly go . unfortunatly the other 3 dealers we have been too havent been any help at all. we do not have prop, jackplate or hull issues. nothing that will show up on a routein dioagnostic test. SO?????

[munchie]

HUEY i am glad that alll 250 ho in your area run great. Most of them around here kick butT also, HOWEVER, some do not and have isssues. My post was only asking for the ones that were having issues.

We , in our time of suffering thru this for over five months, have heard and read about all of the fantastic speeds and holeshots that most of you have until we are sick of hearing about them. It is salt in our wounds.. we have been there tried that until we are "blue in the face"

To all of you who had issue and resolved it with a prop, jackplate, mapping,etc , we thank you for your input. every little bit of info will help. keep it comming.

[munchie]

david , the si is not setting off the power reduction. i dont know what is, mine goes off when ever it wants to. a 26 trophy sets it off at 5200 rpm. a 24 fury set it off occasionally at 5400. Both in calm water. a 25 raker will never set it off reguardless of how calm or rough the water is. other props can set it off before boat ever planes.. go figure.

[munchie]

DDk yes i have a hole shot problem, top end problem, rpm problem , oil drinking problem.power reduction problem. the only thing it does good is start and run.
I have a 8 hydro plate.
250 ho evo, 24 fury 56oo rpm max until power reduction goes off, 10 sec. hole
25 raker ll 54oo , 20 sec hole with jackplate alll way up.
27 tempest 5200 hole shot 15 sec with passenger on trolling motor (or it aint happening. )
26 trophy 10 sec 5000 until power reduction goes off.
uses 25/1 oil and consitanlyl get 2 to 2 1/4 mpg.
three seperate dealers cant find anything WRONG.

[munchie]

Your boat runs great. we have exactly the same boat, plate , etc, yet we are miles apart. that is as much proof as i need to know something is wrong with my motor.
Maybe you should run mine for a week and teach it some good habits.( just dont bring it back )

[santee bass]

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Maybe you should run mine for a week and teach it some good habits.( just dont bring it back )</TD></TR></TABLE>

Could it be in the hull of the boat?I would think that a hook in the hull could cause the problems you mentioned.

[ChampioNman]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by munchie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">greens marine is kinda in the oppsite direction from clark hill, BUT if you really think that would help, i will gladly go . unfortunatly the other 3 dealers we have been too havent been any help at all. we do not have prop, jackplate or hull issues. nothing that will show up on a routein dioagnostic test. SO?????</TD></TR></TABLE>

Kind of thought if you were going to the Hill via I-85 you'd go right by it. If you're going via I-20 then Lincolnton marine maybe able to check your motor out too.

[rodbender1]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by munchie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your boat runs great. we have exactly the same boat, plate , etc, yet we are miles apart. that is as much proof as i need to know something is wrong with my motor.
Maybe you should run mine for a week and teach it some good habits.( just don't bring it back )</TD></TR></TABLE>

Munchie,

Yeah it is difficult to prop for holeshot, and probably always will be for the heavy bass hulls, but it is acceptable with a few of the props I tried. Not the best, and as
I see, it can be worse, but man yours is a freakin' "LEMON". I never talk crap about another mans rig, but I would have the same "piece of crap" feeling if I had sunk $45K into a turd.

I will help in anyway as far as setup and proping, just let me know if and what you need. But it sounds to me that you have tried everything. I could see where Etec's would be at the bottom of your list and totally understandable I'd feel the same way.
Is there a "LEMON LAW" for boats? Trade that sucker in, and get something else. I know you'll take a hit on it, but piece of mind is worth a lot to me.

[Blue Steel]

I witnessed Muchies boat attempting to get on plane, very disheartening to say the least.

[ChampioNman]

Munchie needs to get BRP tech services involved then.