Why does almost no one make a high-end 200 size reel?

[bassburch]

Hey all, I have been looking high and low for a higher end 200 size reel for spooling up thicker 65lb braid and making very long casts.

A 100 or 150 is simply too small, and it seems almost all high end reels are in the 70 size, 100 size, or maybe even the 150 size. I prefer Shimano and would consider Daiwa, but all their high-end stuff is tiny.

I want a larger chunk of magnesium frame with brass gears, metal side plates, and either a T-wing or larger eyelet line winding guide (like on the Bantam, but in a 200 size). I don't think what I want exists :(

The 200 size Curado DC is a monstrosity and Shimano should be ashamed of that design. They took the perfectly functional 200 size spool they had been using for decades, scrapped it, and made the spool 10mm wider with a tiny line winding guide. Makes for inconsistent crappy casts when the line winder is on one side of the spool, with it being so darn wide. What a terrible design. Mine sits on the bench and will not be used. Did they also use this wider spool in the new 200M Curado or whatever letter they are on in 2025?

People would surely scoop up a high-end 200 size reel, and I think these reel companies are missing a significant market demand while putting out terrible designs like wide-body 200s and tiny 150s.

[dragon1]

The new 2025 Tatula 150 and 200 would likely not be any lower in quality build than a Curado...and upgrading components to a more premium is very easy to do with Daiwa.

[bassburch]

The new 2025 Tatula 150 and 200 would like not be any lower in quality build than a Curado...and upgrading components to a more premium look so much easier to do with Daiwa.

I actually have a 2025 Tatula 200 being delivered today... still wish I could have a long cast Zillion 200, or a Bantam 200, or a Metanium 200.

[dragon1]

I actually have a 2025 Tatula 200 being delivered today... still wish I could have a long cast Zillion 200, or a Bantam 200, or a Metanium 200.

I hear ya...there's not enough market for ROI with making that type reel. Shimano offers the Conquest 300/400 for that as well as the Antares MD and Daiwa previously had the Z2020 and the latest IMZ offering (granted the required digital interface in order to use the reel is a moronic decision).

Also, FWIW...the 2025 Tat 150 is a Mag Z long cast braking system and has the capacity of a traditional 200 sized reel...the 200 is essentially a "250" capacity reel (with standard Magforce braking).

[bassburch]

I hear ya...there's not enough market for ROI with making that type reel. Shimano offers the Conquest 300/400 for that as well as the Antares MD and Daiwa previously had the Z2020 and the latest IMZ offering (granted the required digital interface in order to use the reel is a moronic decision).

Also, FWIW...the 2025 Tat 150 is a Mag Z long cast braking system and has the capacity of a traditional 200 sized reel...the 200 is essentially a "250" capacity reel (with standard Magforce braking).

You sure its not the other way around? This is directly from Daiwa website:

"The new Tatula 200 also unveils Daiwa's LC-Concept, or Long-Cast Concept. A deep capacity spool outfitted with an LC Concept inductor and Magforce breaking system within palm side-plate enables anglers to achieve not only more distance with larger lures but also prevents backlashes when properly tuned."

This information is not listed for the 2025 150 Tatula... only the 200.

[Stradic4]

Did they also use this wider spool in the new 200M Curado or whatever letter they are on in 2025?

The Curado 200M spool width is 1.034".

[bassburch]

The Curado 200M spool width is 1.034".

Interesting... I just measured the Curado DC 200 and the inside spool width is nearly 1-1/8". I also just measured one of my Curado 200E7s and it's 7/8" wide.

That 200 DC is almost 30% wider, and it simply doesn't work well for max cast distance with the line taring of the spool at a steep 45 degree angle with the line winder. It really binds things up, and it's annoying to try and center up the line winder every time I want to stretch it out.

That bad angle with the line winder guide is significantly reduced with a narrower spool and/or conical shaped line winder, adding extra cast distance when needed.

[Stradic4]

Curado 200 M spool

1.034 outside width

0.851 middle inside width

0.575 center dia.

[dragon1]

You sure its not the other way around? This is directly from Daiwa website:

"The new Tatula 200 also unveils Daiwa's LC-Concept, or Long-Cast Concept. A deep capacity spool outfitted with an LC Concept inductor and Magforce breaking system within palm side-plate enables anglers to achieve not only more distance with larger lures but also prevents backlashes when properly tuned."

This information is not listed for the 2025 150 Tatula... only the 200.

The 2025 Tat 150 and 200 are both "long cast concepts", however the 150 is Mag Z tuned and the 200 is standard Magforce (non moving spool mag inductor cup).

[dragon1]

You sure its not the other way around? This is directly from Daiwa website:

"The new Tatula 200 also unveils Daiwa's LC-Concept, or Long-Cast Concept. A deep capacity spool outfitted with an LC Concept inductor and Magforce breaking system within palm side-plate enables anglers to achieve not only more distance with larger lures but also prevents backlashes when properly tuned."

This information is not listed for the 2025 150 Tatula... only the 200.

This TW video is almost 35 minutes long, however Takeshi and Marc explains the 2025 Daiwa lineup. Takeshi is worth listening to and worth making the effort to understand what he is trying to convey as an engineer, Marc can tend to over-simplify and uses his "salesman sauce" to explain what he doesn't fully comprehend...IMO.

[ECobb91]

What about a Shimano Tranx?

[willwork4fish]

Daiwa Coastal 200?

[reelex]

Simple…..Weight

[NathanDLTH]

Maybe not high end, but I mean it’s amazing looking.

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Daiw...age-DMNGC.html

[dragon1]

Maybe not high end, but I mean it’s amazing looking.

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Daiw...age-DMNGC.html

Yep, it is much "higher end" than just a purtied-up Tat Type R. The 2024 Tat 150 also has a much deeper 34 mm spool, granted it won't have the bigger 36 mm diameter of the 2025 Tat 150 or 38 mm diameter of the 2025 Tat 200.

[MidTNFisherman]

I don’t know the measurements, and this is my own personal opinion. The best way I can describe the Curado M is that the E series and the 150 MGL made a baby, alas, the M was born. For some reason it doesn’t sem like it has caught good traction because of the popularity of the 150 MGL.

[Rangerdeepv]

https://www.tedssportscenter.com/pro...calais-cl200dc

Pricey but 200 size.

[dragon1]

https://www.tedssportscenter.com/pro...calais-cl200dc

Pricey but 200 size.

FWIW, that "200" moniker on this Calais 200DC is misleading. The line capacity is much closer to a traditional 100 size reel than a 200, and might even be less than some current 150 Shimanos.