Amsoil HP Injector oil vs. Evinrude XD-100

[Frank Walsh]

I tried doing a search on this subjet, but got way more to read that I could wade through. I have be told by someone that he has been using Amsoil HP Injector oil in place of Evinrude XD-100 in his 2007 200 H.O. E-TEC. EMM still set to run XD-100.

Anybody else doing this, and if the Amsoil product a direct, and cheaper replacement for the Evinrude synthetic?

[ChampioNman]

All I can say is its your motor and your warranty. I'm not going to start the great oil debate but if I had a motor under warranty I would burn what the company calls for. If you choose to run the AMSOIL I would not bring it up to the service center. I have nothing against the product. I used to use it in an old Snowmobile.

[Lockjaw]

I wouldn't run that crap in my engine. You do what you want, but you won't see that junk in my oil tank, even if you give it to me.

I will run Penn oil all day long, and just converted mine over to XD100.

[DoferGofer]

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I think you are going to like the XD100.



Regards,

[JoePA]

AS Fred has mentioned it is their engine and their warranty...BUT no matter what oil he is running I would run it on the tcw3 setting. Oil is cheap. Engines are not!

On that note Amsoil has been in my engine since almost new...that was 16 years ago. I have no problems with it and will run it no matter what engine I have. My father jsut switched from Pennsoil to Amsoil and is very happy. Once agin that choice is yours and you'll hear ALL kinds of stories.

[SEAHORSE]

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Anybody else doing this, and if the Amsoil product a direct, and cheaper replacement for the Evinrude synthetic?</TD></TR></TABLE>


IF you read the owners manual, ONLY XD-100 can be used in the motor if it is programmed for XD-100. Anything else will voild any warranty coverage for a lubrication problem.


If the motor is set as is comes from the factory for TC-W3 oil, then you must use a TC-W3 certified oil to keep warranty in force. I do not see a TC-W3 registration number on a bottle of Amsoil 2-stroke oil.

After the prescribed warranty period is over, then you can use olive oil, baby oil, suntan oil, or any other oil of your choice and take your chances.

To be fair, Amsoil makes good products but the 2-stroke oils do not carry a <U>National Marine Manufacturers Association</U> (NMMA) certification number for outboard engine warranty requirements.

[GaryL]

XD-100 Is not TCW-3 rated either. Or if it is it does not say so on the jug it comes in.

That being said all I use is XD-100 set on XD-100 setting. SO far so good.

[SEAHORSE]

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that is correct as it is a BRP product made specifically for their DI and E-TEC engines and stated in the owners manual, and not advertised nor suggested for use in any other make of motor. Merc Optimax oil is the same way and is Harley Davidson engine oil.

[Frank Walsh]

Here's why I asked. I have a friend with the same motor as mine that has been running the Amsoil for some time. In conversations with him, he gives me the impression that others in his circle do as well, with no issues.

He did have an engine failure last season, due to fuel delivery issues, and the powerhead was replaced by BRP. The Amsoil was in the system, and no comment made whatsoever by the dealer, and/or whoever handled the repair.

As a side note, this guy is a Skidoo dealer and mechanic, so he has pretty extensive knowledge, although admittedly not a trained E-TEC mechanic.

I have always used the XD-100, and was just curious if anyone in this group did the Amsoil thing, but so far I would have to say.......no.

[Bugs]

I'm not quite sure how someone can pay, I don't know, maybe 8k to 18k for a nice new Etec and then piss and moan about the price of oil. A recreational boater might use 2 to 3 gallons a season. The Etec sips XD100 and it likes to sip it. They run good on it!

Buy a cheaper brand of beer, not oil!

Just my .02 cents!

[Frank Walsh]

Bugs,

I'm on my fourth case for the season. Not gallon. And again, just asking if anyone heard of this. Not advocating it.

[Bugs]

4th case?!

You must own a bank!

[Frank Walsh]

Since May. I'm a fishing guide on Lake of the Woods, and probably put on way over 50 miles a day.

[e-tec_angler]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Frank Walsh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bugs,

I'm on my fourth case for the season. Not gallon. And again, just asking if anyone heard of this. Not advocating it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would say you're boating more than fishing if this is the truth. By using your E-Tec for a guide business, doesn't this leave you at a 1 year commercial warranty? I guess you could use just about any oil.

[Bassmeister]

I'm not bashing Amsoil here. I will say I run the xd-100 simply because it was made for Evinrude and has additives for my engine that other oils don't have. I'm not under warranty,so it's by choice that I run it. I do remember BRP has said to run the xd-100 on the tcw-III setting for HO engines,If mine was under warranty I would run it til the warranty ran out then change if ya want. I like the fact that with the xd-100 I don't need to decarb as the oil will actually clean the engine, when all is right and the temps are where they should be. JMHO

[rudetech1]

The real answer is the engine has NO warranty if it is set to XD-100, and other oils are used. What more needs to be said here! There have been no test to my knowledge that amsoil will work in the engine. That would be up to amsoil. If he were on the XD-50 setting, there would be a lot less to worry about. Amsoil makes a good product, but it's up to him if he wants to VOID the warranty.Why drive yourself into a wall if you can avoid it. And trust me when I say, HARLEY DAVIDSON is a real stickler when it comes to their oil in a new HD.Actually, they would like to step on your nads if you use other than specified oil.

[santee bass]

Question????What is the FEDERAL LAW in regards to engine mfg"s requiring you to use there branded oil to maintain a warranty?Wasn"t this law brought about because of Outboard Mfg"s were making you use there oil & if you didn"t they would not allow a claim back in the 60"s or early 70"s & the law was made that if you use someone else"s oil & it met minimum requirements,warranty couldn"t be denied?

I still use xd-100 but curious about the above question.

[inthebox30lbs]

As far as I know it is a law that you do not have to use a manufactor's oil (the oil needs to meet there specs NMMA tcwIII). If that was the case they would have to provide it for you free of charge. I always read these oil threads and I have never heard of anyone saying that a motor company has voided a warrenty based on the oil they have used, in any oil related failure. Maybe someone can chime in on this. If people were having oil related failures Im sure someone would post "I had an oil related failure, the motor company would not honor my warrenty because I was not using there RECOMENDED oil.
scott

[inthebox30lbs]

no input from anyone?

[JoePA]

I know Amsoils stand ont he issue is they will not pay to have their oil certified because if there is an issue with your engine that wsa caused by the oil then they would pay for the repairs.
With that being said they will test every aspect thay can to prove that it wasn't the oil that caused the problem....most of the time it's something other than the oil that causes the engine to seize, pop or whatever.